GRG: ok, no more dicussion

Caps SM: I still think something must be done here

FB:

What about something like this:

- FB now fire multiple flack bursts with 1s interwalls (so all damage is dealed in 2s/4s/6s, not instantly)

- Each burst do 10 damage

- 2/4/6 bursts (at levels 1/2/3) (btw it will be nice too see Kol creating anti-SC firewall around it)

- 10s/12s/14s cooldown (8 seconds between two activations at all levels)

- 50 AM cost

Why?

Both SC user and Kol owned will be forced to face/use this ability with mind. SC owner can save some is SC if he retreat them just after FB activation, while Kol owner has slightly chaper FB allowing him to use it slighly more, bot no longer able to "outclick"enemy SCs - "tactical placement" of Kol in will be critical part of using this ability.

There is nothing wrong with FB.

AS too the SM deal, this is a very dangerous area to tread (both me and Carbon know this from our own modding experiences, can you say OP Advent Caps?).

The Magnetize I am okay with except the cost decrease. The Dunov, being a support cap, has no issues with AM

Thoughts on Mike's post: APPROVED

My thoughts on Magnetize were:

Magnetize max targets from 8/12/16 to 12/18/24, no longer ends when max fighter targets are destroyed

Ok, what about this:

Magnetize:

- Number of affected strikecrafts increased to 12/18/24 (from 8/12/16)

- Strikecraft collision damage increased to 30 (from 25)

- Range increased to 7500 (from 5000)

- Duration changed to 10s/15s/20s or 12/18/24 strikecrafts killed (from 10s/12.5s/15s or 8/12/16 strikecrafts killed)

EMP Charge:

- Range increased to 6000 (from 4500)

- Antimatter cost changed to 80/80/80 (from 100/90/80)

- Now act as interrupt (I know Magnetize is interruptor too...)

- Area Radius increased to 3000/3500/4000 (from 2500/3000/3500)

Shield Restore:

- Restoration changed to 350/550/750 (from 250/500/750)

?

Anyway, I think of increasing Phase Out Hull colldown to 15 (from 10). It will be still able keep one ship phased out permanently (because of buffed 15s duration), but after other buffs this ability is just too powerful to be able to affect multiple ships at the same time.

Marauder is a lost cause IMO. It is a ship not meant to fight in battles by design in a game where you have to fight in battles to gain experience. Unless the Marauder starts getting XP from something else than fighting, which is unlikely to happen, this ship is still going to be worse than any other as a candidate for a flagship. As a third or fourth maybe, to have something interrupting MBs reliably... or to increase the speed of your fleet... other than that, it is going to suck combat-wise.

That's my feelings about the Marauder anyway.

Any more comment to proposed dunov buffs (4 posts above)?

Update:

- EMP charge: UE Carbon suggestion

- Magnetize: stats 6 posts above

- Shield restoration: stats 6 posts above

- Phase Out Hull: cooldown increased to 15/15/15

- Scramble Bombers buff removed (patch uploaded, it already exist)

More ideas:

Ion Bolt:

- Duration increased to 5/7/9 (from 3/5/7)

- AM cost reduced to 65 (from 85)

Clairvoiance:

- Now also disable all media centers in gravity well

Repair cloud:

- Cooldown increased to 15 (from 12)

- AM cost reduced to 75 (from 100/90/80)

[why? to finally give scinatra chance of using both scramble bombers AND repair cloud. It is not buff/nerf, it is just small rebalance making using both these abilities possible]

I'm wiht Ryat here.  I don't really think those changes are needed, but RC might be good.  Its a small change, so idk..

I believe the problem if repair cloud is that it is neither a good fleet healing ability* nor a good STRIKECRAFT healing ability**

*  not a good FLEET healing ability, because:
- heals measly 300 HP for 80 AM on level 3. One overseer does that much. Get an overseer.
- heals hull, which means to affect many ships they all need to be half-dead; that's not gonna happen since ships focus fire, both AI and players. So efectively, Repair cloud, while affecting a hundred ships, heals only a few of them. Overseers do better, they don't waste their AM on ships thatdo not need it.
- has a short duration, which means you have to time its use to the moment when your ships are going down. Focused fired ships don't have a tendency to go down together, so you'll likely be healing one ship only. For 300 hit points. For 80 AM. Duh. Get an overseer.

**  not a good strikecraft healing ability because:
- has a short range, meaning you have to pull out your strikecraft to get repairs, trading their DPS for survivability in similiar amounts.
- has a short duration which means you have to do that ^^^^^^ very often, cause vasari strikecraft, even while being the toughest of the lot, still have hundred-ish hit points and a few flak salvos send them to the grave
- 30 HP/sec, while being mediocre for the fleet, is overkill for strikecraft (too much to be useful)

I say Repair cloud should be specialized in either fleet healing or strikecraft healing.

As a fleet healer it should heal more, about 500-600 HPs total at level 3, over about 15-20 seconds. AM cost permed at 100.

As a strikecraft healer it should heal 10 or 15 hp/sec over 10-20-30 seconds with vastly increased radius. Keep AM cost as is.

Either of the two would make sense in my opinion. The current repair cloud sounds good but is useless in general, unless you're trying to tank MB - lol. Seriously, it is the worst kind of healing in the game. Many ships can get their shields messed with at the same time (many AOE effects in game, Rad bomb, illums many beams, cluster rockets, PMS, whatever) and that's what makes SR so powerful. But when hull goes down, it means either focus fire or greatly superior AOE damage, far beyond Repair Cloud's 30hp/sec over 10 seconds.

This is also a relatively wrong way to go, cause having everything permanently repairing for 30 HP/sec would, in turn, be kinda OP.

I think.

It is a tough nut to crack here.

Look at Shield Restore. It is an antimatter demon, but nobody argues it is bad. It restores a lot of shields for a high cost fast and when you need it.

The problem of repair cloud, which is relatively the same toy only for hit points, is that every damage comes at shield first. Even phase missiles, while doing some directly to the hull, still do most of the damage to shields. So ANY kind of damage can be mitigated by restoring shields. Rad bomb, PMS, quickly-interrupted MB, even starbase multitargetting. Any damage is quickly nullified or reduced and since all AOE effects do damage to shields first, it successfully mitigates all AOE effects. And therefore it costs a LOT (100 AM every what.. 10 or 12 seconds?) and is balanced.

SO, the issue is that 30 HP/sec is FINE in itself (about on par with shield restore, since one point of hull is worth mpore than shields because it also includes armor damage reduction), but ships do not lose hull all the time. An AOE damaging effect like MB or Meteors or anything will almost kill an LRF before it even wipes shields off an enforcer.

Ahh... it's a b***h to get right in my opinion.