Well, finished updating the ships, all that is left is to update the string and test it out some more, make sure nothing is wrong.  Almost bedtime, late, so will probably finish tomorrow and upload the version 2 Test with the added ships.

If all goes well, then i will take it to 1.0 after that as an official release. 

-Teal

Neterw,

             Ok, lets see if i understand correctly.

Non-believer?    haha, thats ok, i dont mind, we will try to work through this.

Change the mesh after activate the new ability for mini-mesh? Actually there is NO ability that changes meshes, i know the starbase does that in Entrenchment, but im not aware of it being possible in Vanilla, and that is NOT what i am doing here. I changed the mesh period. It is invisible, it stays invisible, it doesnt change back and forth.

No matter how mini a logo is there is a big circle around it? In default mode, icons for ships are ON, if you go to MENU and then to EFFECTS you will see the option for ICONS and OWNERSHIP ICONS, if this is unchecked, then the icons in the game are removed, UNLESS the ship is selected, then it shows. (Nice for finding out where your ships are).

Global warning tiger for jumping to enemy territory? How to bypass it? Without making disadvantages to non-cloaked fleet warnings? There is a warning for arriving too?

I dont understand the tiger part, but Yes, jumping to enemy territory will give a warning, that is part of the game. How to bypass it? Cant bypass it that i know of, well.. that is not true, you could probably remove it from the string dialog, but why? We dont want a fleet that cant see us, or attack us, only a "Visually Pleasing" difference in the gameplay. Yes there is a warning on arriving too. Also part of the game. I see no reasonable reason to take it out. It is there for a purpose and certainly all the little visual and audio clues i can get for "Where" my invisible fleet is the better. That is of course this modders opinion.

Auto-attack is working! No matter how small the mesh the ai will attack the cloaked ship.

Yes,   That is standard behaviour. There is an ability that i gave the first invisible ship, to phase out, but i modified it to not cut out engines or to disable weapons, and the modified version affects friendlies as a protection mode, when phased out the invisible ships become "UNSEEN" by the enemy. This was of course made by the Devs, a very nice ability, but i didnt want it to make the Inviso ships too powerful, so i set it to a two minute recharge. So its there, and protects them somewhat, but not completely and not continuously.

And i dont really want the enemy to NOT attack my fleet. That of course is the purpose of the game, to engage the enemy in battle and to use strategy and tactics to win, or lose. But it is a game, for fun. I DONT want the enemy to NOT attack.

These really are NOT issues i think should be corrected. What you are asking for is an invulnerable, unseeable, unattackable fleet, which in my opinion, doesnt sound like very much fun.

You are welcome to CHANGE my mod, this community mod, because i wanted it in all the people's names that were on the Cloak thread. And you can change some of the behaviour you are talking about in the string file in the string folder, or by removing the icon calls in the entity files, or by using abilities to make the enemy not attack them. All this should be very DOABLE.  

But that is a project i will leave to you, any others that wish to change the mod may do so as well, just credit the Cloak Crew for the base you are taking from, and change it to your hearts content. 

Sorry to disagree with your premises, but i just dont see it the same as you, but you are most welcome to change it, and it looks workable. Have fun and keep modding!!!

-Teal

Hi Teal

I got your point, I understand your solutions for my mentioned problems. I think I wasn't enough clear with my concerns. So I redifine them

I (and maybe many others) have an image about cloaking from games (starcraft,c&c) and movies (stargate,statrek) how should it works. I think becouse there are limits of sins, right now, no one can make ships/buildings actually cloaked!

1. _LOGO ISSUE_ cloak conception: the enemy cannot see it or maybe just a blur, can not select it, from distance he cannot see the pictogram of it. perhaps when he zoom in, he can see the ownership logo. 1.a you can universally remove things. but you shouldn't remove the circles universally, that would be nerve-racking, with no ownership logos when you zoom in, you can hardly manage the battle + 1.b with no pictogram universally how you control your fleet when you zoomed out? + 1.c you have to make different between who's seeing the pictogram or who's not.

2. _GLOBAL TRIGGER_ cloak conception: if some jumps with a cloaked ship, the enemy doesn't get any warnings, that's the point of cloaking... surprise! I meant earlier there is a trigger somewhere in the game's code that indicate warnings. you can upgrade them by phase detection researches, or disable them just removing the sound-actions. removing it universaly, not so clever, we agreed.

3. _AUTOATTACK_ you're right, with that modified phaseout it's done. there are weapon and thrust, and it's invulnerable, temporaly.

4. _DECLOAKING_ you make it antimatter-eater ability or you just passivate it, and make a decloak ability, as in other games, and movies. there is no problem with the first one, but the second is that real cloak (my opinion)

That was theory  I downloaded it. And I have a few questions. The unknown race's ships are spining continously around themselfs. Did I make something wrong? And these ships have no meshes? In the game there are only pictograms for almost max. zoom-in, and after one point it changes for a white star effect or someting like that!? is the glitch on my computer?

The moving structure-mesh ships are great!!! I would use them in my mod too   And there are good abilities on the new ships, maybe I steal one or two for my mod, there are good ideas.

I am sorry, if I offended you. That was not my intention! It's good to see that someone pushes the limit of sins!  As you said, I just dont see things the same as you. Perhaps I am just pessimist. I try to be "yes-man"!

neterw

what version is this for???

Not Entrenchment, this is for 1.16 Vanilla. My only mod for Entrenchment is FireFall, everything else i have done, including this mod is for Vanilla.

Sorry,

-Teal

The icons in 1. that you mention should be removeable in the effects menu.

2. Global trigger, i see, i did not catch that, but yes, removing the sound file calls, or even in gameevents file you could remove the string that references it.

3. Auto attack might be corrected using the adjusted phase out ability, or you could take all the capital and frigate entities and change the auto attack option to FALSE instead of TRUE.

That should work.

But really this mod isnt TRUE CLOAKING, its just a guess-ta-mate little mod. TRUE CLOAKING would be as you say, to turn it off and on as you choose, like an ability. That is beyond me right now, but maybe the devs can do this, someone on the thread mentioned that the beta for Entrenchment had such a feature. Perhaps they can consider bringing it back?  Anyway, thank you for the comments, and im sorry i sounded like such a jerk, i should know that different people like different things, haha, i sure do, so i shouldnt come off like it has to be my way, sorry for that. You are most welcome to make the changes you want and if you like post them in a mod of your own, that would be cool. Good luck and take care and again, sorry for the gruff response, i wasnt being as helpful as i should have, but i wont let that happen too much i hope.

-Teal