Venerable is not working correctly.

If you can send in the save with a bug report we can track down the issue.

ok, I'll do it, thanks

I think you misunderstand how it works. It doesn't force DOW on anyone that invades a planet that was a homeworld. If a player has the trait, and their homeworld is invaded, it forces DOW against the invader. It only works with your own homeworld.

Exelis, no, it is not. I talking about - when I invade, everybody is declaring war to me, if someone else, nobody declaring war to them, although they must.

Name your homeworld, the world where you get DOW'd, and the world you control that fails to get the invader DOW'd.

I believe he is saying if Faction 1 conquers Faction 2's homeworld, no one will DoW Faction 1, but if HE conquers Faction 2's homeworld, everyone will DoW him.

That is, Venerable works when it is the player who conquers a homeworld, but not when an AI does it.  That's what I think he is saying, at least.

Venerable is ridiculous! Again I will state that having EVERY race DOW is absurd and way too much of a penalty. It should only be that the other Pragmatic Races DOW and there should be a pop up warning stating that before your transport lands since it isn't possible to be certain whether your opp has the trait.

I know how it works. I just don't really believe that it isn't working from his account. His story has the world in question NOT his homeworld, so venerable shouldn't be triggering, and nothing is broken.

He's saying it's not his homeworld but it is the homeworld of a pragmatic race.

Also, yes it does need a pop-up warning but it is not overpowered. It's at the end of the line and it only applies to the homeworld. You can take every other planet of theirs and then they'll take with surrender to someone or accept peace. Then you can take out everyone else until having everyone declare war on you is irrelevant.

If it making non Neutral players declare war then it is a bug since the code clearly states Neutral Players:-

    <Triggers>
      <OnEvent>OnHomeworldConquered</OnEvent>
        <Scope>Global</Scope>
      <Target>
        <TargetType>Faction</TargetType>
        <TargetRelation>Any</TargetRelation>
      </Target>
      <Lifetime>Instant</Lifetime>
      <PerformAction>
        <Action>DeclarationOfWarByNeutralPlayers</Action>
      </PerformAction>
    </Triggers>

SergSVow, could you clarify?

From what I understand, the sequence of events is:

- Faction A has 'venerable'
- Faction B conquers Faction A's homeworld Homeworld A
- Faction C declares war on Faction B due to 'Venerable'
- Faction C conqueres Homeworld A from Faction B
- Nobody declares war on Faction C

Is this correct? In this case exelsis is correct and 'Venerable' should not apply and nobody should declare war on Faction C. This is because 'Venerable' is a property of a faction and not of a world. You don't get 'Venerable' from conquering a venerable homeworld.

From my Godlike game in my original thread I can assure you all of a few things. 

1) Since there's no pop up warning, I have no qualms about reloading if the Prag race who's HW I attack has this trait. 

2) At least pre 1.81 when an AI race attacks a Venerable Prag races HW everyone in the game DOW's that AI race. This happened to two races in my game. 

There needs to be a pop up, both to warn the human player, and to give the AI cause to reconsider. 

The Devs need to take a good look at Venerable.

That might mean folks not allied or already at war. Otherwise it might say "Pragmatic" races.  Neutral having two definitions here and all. 

Neutral - Personality Trait - Pragmatic. So I am going to stick my neck out and say DeclarationOfWarByNeutralPlayers is supposed to be Pragmatic only.

zuPloed, there is situation:

1. Me and Arcean standing near by the capital of Iridium -Iridia.

2. If I capture Iridia - everebody is declaring war to me, all races.

3. If I do nothing, and on the next turn Arcean captured Iridia, only Arcean are declaring war to me, nobody declaring war to them.

that's all, that is the question - is that correct? Or not?

Not enough information. Nobody can demonstrate that it didn't work without a before/after diplomatic summary screen.

Hmm come to think of it, this would be the second UI thing that would be nice for Venerable. Having a different diplomacy dialog than the invader faction declaring war on you. Something more along the lines of the invader faction reacting to your DoW due to Vernable.

(First thing is the dialog warning you, that you are invading the Homeworld of a venerable race)

Hello again.

I will try to describe the situation as accurately as possible and attach screenshots of the rooms that quite clear. In addition to screenshots give you three recorded games before I took the planet, before Arcean take over the planet, and after.
So.
My Empire is at war with the Iridium, as well as Arcean.

me (left) and Arcean (right) on the picture

Iridium, has the property - Venerable, which means that if someone will capture the capital of the Empire with such property, then all races will declare war on this invader.

I did record the game before I capture the planet, Iridium is "before". You can download it from here https://yadi.sk/d/H6CSR0PYuHMPd

my diplomatic relations with all the races, where you can see that I've been fighting with Iridium:

as well as how and Arcean, and trading with the Iconian.

Iridium trades with Thalan and at war with my Empire and Arcean:

next pictures just demonstrate that one more no one in the condition of war

I select between type of the invasion of the planet, and zuPloed - no dialog about warning

and I won (no warning again)

after this - all declare war on me

one more time - again - that all races at war with my Empire:

I decided not to capture the planet at this price, and it is better to capture the planet around, here is a link to a recording of the game "part7" right before end turn. you can download it from here https://yadi.sk/d/C21_AGqSuHMTL

What we will see near the planet Iridia?
flying fleet of Arcean:

and they capture the planet - iridia

No one declares war on Arcean

Arcean also not declare war on my Empire, but I am already at war with them

I also made a recording of the game after this invasion, called "after", you can download it from here: https://yadi.sk/d/MKwTGUM4uHMVi

Now I repeat the questions:
if my Empire invades the planet (the capital of the race with a Venerable property), and all declare war on my Empire, when Arcean invaded them and conquered the planet, why no one has declared war on the Arcean?
In that case, why automatically including a state of war with the Arcean only me? and my friend - Iconian too?
Why there was no warning - the diplomatic screen? (DoW Arcean to me)

Why there was no warning - about Venerable? (if it necessary)

Download file "part7" https://yadi.sk/d/C21_AGqSuHMTL and just press "turn", watching the planet Iridia and you will see everything with your own eyes.

Version of the game is last, 1.8.1

I hope now everything is clear.

The arcean invasion caused you and the iconians to DOW the arceans. But since that wasn't EVERYBODY, there is indeed shenanigans.

Just a little clarification to my previous post: I didn't mean to say there was a warning for invading a venerable factions homeworld.

I meant to say that this and a special declaration of war dialog for in case of venerable are things which should get implemented.