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100 Factions?

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What does 100 Factions mean? 

100 Major Factions?

100 Major Factions plus all minor factions?

89 Major Factions, plus all minor factions? (+/- 1 one major faction)

Right now I am not able to start a game with more than 89 major factions if I have all minor factions in the game.  I am able to go past this number if I reduce the number of minor factions.  So why is there not a warning message in the game telling the player that the game does not support this and not allow one to do it.  Instead the game allows you to select these and then crashes.

This was my understanding during development which could be completely off the wall but, was never really communicated exactly what 100 faction game really meant.  

100 Major Factions (1 human - 99 AI)

Minor Races don't count toward that number (again I may have always misunderstood).

Game would just not one allow you to add more than 100 races and stop you to attempt to do so.

Game would not crash up to that point. (and wouldn't crash after as you couldn't put more than that into the game).

So what is wrong here?  

My understanding on what 100 factions are?

No hard stop on game settings allowing one to pass the faction cap?

Game crashes after crossing the cap with no warning?

 

I apologize Stardock, however, this frustrates me, we are almost 2 months after release why was something like hard faction stops put into the game?  

 

Okay enough for the negative good work to this point :) Looking forward to providing additional feedback on game play.

 

 

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Reply #26 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 25

I am also waiting to see if stardock is going to reply to this.
End of admiralWillyWilber's quote

why should they? 99+player is 100.

Reply #27 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting dragoaskani, reply 26

why should they? 99+player is 100.
End of dragoaskani's quote

To get clarification on if 100 faction is that as there was some confusion on if it actually supported 128.

To get clarification on if pirates count against that faction count.

To get clarification on if minor factions count against that faction count.

To find out why my game is crashing if I hit 99 + pirate faction if that is by design.

To find out why if that is the case there is no hard cap preventing you from adding more faction than the game can support causing crash.

 

Does that answer your question on why they should.

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Reply #28 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Wasn't talking to you stupid penguin. :borg:

Reply #29 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting dragoaskani, reply 28

Wasn't talking to you stupid penguin. :borg:
End of dragoaskani's quote

And yet "srupid penguin" is absolutely right.

Reply #30 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting Bloodlust1983, reply 29


Quoting dragoaskani,
reply 28

Wasn't talking to you stupid penguin. :borg:



And yet "srupid penguin" is absolutely right.

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You can't type.  Also it was long ago decided, in a different forum, that I would never agree with stupid penguin. Its a law.

Reply #31 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

It's AMD! your problem is AMD, get the darkness out of your PC and get a gtx 900 series card with dx12/12.1 support. And don't get fooled by the dx 12_3 lie, get gtx cards!

OMG lol rotfl. Larsenex is our resident fan boy. :)

 

A year from now I imagine the ram per game will be much lower. Right now it's sad that there isn't anything we can do. (Unless we can mod it)  but someone should not need a gtx titan and a 5930 6 core processor and 32GB or ram to play the game! For thoughs wanting the  big maps and 100 races (like me) will have to wait for the games software to be more efficient not the hardware. Hardware updates just delay the inevitable.

Reply #32 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting dragoaskani, reply 30

Also it was long ago decided, in a different forum, that I would never agree with stupid penguin. Its a law.
End of dragoaskani's quote

Hmmm... Interesting as I really only post in stardock forums and is the only one I have my penguin icon so which forum was it that you can't agree with me?

Reply #33 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

since the question is directed to me. The op is about not going over 89 factions even on a smaller map. They said you could mod 128 players. They said they played 100 player. Selliore said she could play 89 players. This is an interesting bug. I would like to know if the game will be set to cap out at 89, it will be fixed to go up to 100, or 128. If you think bigger is better is not my philosophy then you are mistaken. I want an answer to the post that's. Why since this is my idea. If you influenced something wouldn't. That concern you.

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Reply #34 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

I'm not sure why there hasn't been any comment from Stardock on this post as I would like to know if my issue with going over 89 factions is a bug and needs a report or if they are aware of an issue.  As well as clarification on the other questions this brings up?

Thanks

Reply #35 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting DARCA1213, reply 31

It's AMD! your problem is AMD, get the darkness out of your PC and get a gtx 900 series card with dx12/12.1 support. And don't get fooled by the dx 12_3 lie, get gtx cards!

OMG lol rotfl. Larsenex is our resident fan boy. :)

 

A year from now I imagine the ram per game will be much lower. Right now it's sad that there isn't anything we can do. (Unless we can mod it)  but someone should not need a gtx titan and a 5930 6 core processor and 32GB or ram to play the game! For thoughs wanting the  big maps and 100 races (like me) will have to wait for the games software to be more efficient not the hardware. Hardware updates just delay the inevitable.
End of DARCA1213's quote

 

I have a GTX 970 and an FX-8350 8 core cpu, and the product still is buggy and it is still unresponsive at times, and it needs lots of optimization and code. I don't know anybody with intel on here either reporting spectacular performance, merely acceptable. I doubt that it is taking advantage of all of the threads an intel cpu can give it either. The code should run exactly the same irregardless if it is on AMD or Intel so I'm not sure what point ur making.

I really am amazed at the prevalence of anti-AMD backlash on the net these days. It is almost as stupid as racism.

Reply #36 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting KD7BCH, reply 35

I have a GTX 970 and an FX-8350 8 core cpu, and the product still is buggy and it is still unresponsive at times, and it needs lots of optimization and code. I don't know anybody with intel on here either reporting spectacular performance, merely acceptable. I doubt that it is taking advantage of all of the threads an intel cpu can give it either. The code should run exactly the same irregardless if it is on AMD or Intel so I'm not sure what point ur making.

I really am amazed at the prevalence of anti-AMD backlash on the net these days. It is almost as stupid as racism.
End of KD7BCH's quote

AMD is a partner with Stardock so AMDs performance should increase in time with the game as they are able to optimize even more.  They already cut out an issue that was causing the game start to lock up for a long time so I imagine it will only get better.  

Reply #37 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Back on topic even if it is capped at a total of 100 including the player that's still loads more than most other games that I know of even if it comes down to 1 Player+19 minors+80 majors that's still gonnabe one helluva game! :grin:   It'll be just about managing the majors vs the minors - the more majors you have the less minors and vice-versa?

Reply #38 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

 

Hey guys, sorry it took me so long to respond to this.

There is a limit of 100 factions currently set in the game. Their is a limited amount of shader registers, if we went higher we would need to buffer some of this data, which would mean more memory is required. Not that it isn't doable, we may look at increasing that cap at a later date. I talked to the team a bit about increasing that limit to 128, but we will need to QA that and make sure it works before we release it without knowing the full memory implications.

I certainly agree that the game shouldn't allow you to put in more than the total allowed factions and then crash. I'll get a bug in to not allow you to add more than 100 total factions (and if you fill all the slots them minors will not be placed).

As for minor's vs major factions. Keep in mind that except for a few limited differences (most notably being able to build colony ships) they are the same thing. From the games perspective there is little difference, so they definitely take up a full player slot. I am sorry if we were confusing about messaging 100 major factions plus minors. You could mod a game with 90 minor factions if you wanted.

Please let me know if you have more questions.

 

Reply #39 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

How many factions with minors and pirates is the limit. Thanks for responding Derek.

Reply #40 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

I would say then if you can't get more than 89 then give the ticket. 

Reply #41 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting admiralWillyWilber, reply 40

I would say then if you can't get more than 89 then give the ticket. 
End of admiralWillyWilber's quote

It's 99 with minor factions included plus the 1 pirate faction which is 100.  Thanks Derek for the clarification on this and working to get the hard cap in place so the game doesn't allow you to add more than that versus the current way where you can add more but, then it crashes.   If you would like me to submit a ticket I will.

Reply #42 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting Seilore, reply 41


Quoting admiralWillyWilber,
reply 40

I would say then if you can't get more than 89 then give the ticket. 



It's 99 with minor factions included plus the 1 pirate faction which is 100.  Thanks Derek for the clarification on this and working to get the hard cap in place so the game doesn't allow you to add more than that versus the current way where you can add more but, then it crashes.   If you would like me to submit a ticket I will.

End of Seilore's quote

Not necessary, I have a bug in for it already.

Reply #43 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Don't forget a tooltip about minor races if they get second on the priority list. Thanks for getting back to us on this Derek.

Reply #44 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting Seilore, reply 32


Quoting dragoaskani,
reply 30

Also it was long ago decided, in a different forum, that I would never agree with stupid penguin. Its a law.



Hmmm... Interesting as I really only post in stardock forums and is the only one I have my penguin icon so which forum was it that you can't agree with me?

End of Seilore's quote

Elemental forums. (still  a stardock forum, but different game forum)

Reply #45 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting dragoaskani, reply 44

Elemental forums. (still  a stardock forum, but different game forum)
End of dragoaskani's quote

hmmmm... was it about another game, I don't play Elemental nor have I visited those forums...  Interesting.

Reply #46 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

I have played with 100 factions many many times as it is a great way to do perf optimization and AI work.  

I can't speak to why it's having a problem on your machine. I'd recommend contacting support.

Reply #47 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting dragoaskani, reply 28

Wasn't talking to you stupid penguin. :borg:
End of dragoaskani's quote

 

Dont you think your repeated personal attacks a out of place here? I would really appreciate if you could stop that.

Pretty please?!

Reply #48 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 46

I have played with 100 factions many many times as it is a great way to do perf optimization and AI work.  

I can't speak to why it's having a problem on your machine. I'd recommend contacting support.
End of Frogboy's quote

Thanks for the reply :), This was mainly on the clarification on what 100 factions meant Derek explained this currently is meant as all faction types in game meaning with all minor factions and pirates it caps out at 89 + 10 minor factions + pirates = 100 or take away any minor factions or pirates and add major factions accordingly.  Cap isn't present so game allows you to go over and then crashes and Derek stated he'd work on getting a cap into place so the game won't allow you to go over.

Reply #49 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting Seilore, reply 45


Quoting dragoaskani,
reply 44

Elemental forums. (still  a stardock forum, but different game forum)



hmmmm... was it about another game, I don't play Elemental nor have I visited those forums...  Interesting.

End of Seilore's quote

Maybe it was Sins then... or maybe I just hate penguins in general.

Reply #50 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting dragoaskani, reply 49

Maybe it was Sins then... or maybe I just hate penguins in general.
End of dragoaskani's quote

Only posted to Sins a few times however, never over anything that required an argument.  Either way I have nothing against mice that want to take over the world  :D Enjoy the game you rock!!!