I dont get the appeal yet » Forum Post by thirdcrash

Did the war mechanics change in a patch? I am waiting for beta 5 to restart a game and haven't played for a bit.

If not what's stopping you declaring war? Just go into diplomacy with that race, then declare war. If it's a UP resolution which I haven't seen yet, can you leave the UP if you want total control yet (also not something i've done yet).

It's a beta however, so the game certainly has issues, and will continue to have issues until release. As for limited choices, you have diplomacy, ideology, technology choices, ship design choices, planet choices, starbase choices, galaxy type choices, victory condition choice, moddability, (and soon custom race choices as well as minors). You have a lot of choices in this game, much more than most i've seen or played, but then that's why I play it.

The AI is weak in beta 4 for example, in beta 5 it will be improved, if you want more of a finished game, wait until that one hits, but even then it's still a beta until it's not anymore.

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aerez4546

Join Date 05/2007

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Yep I understand your frustration. I am a long time GalCiv series player, and some of the ideology stuff they have in right now annoys me a lot also. While the Pragmatic ideology trait that prevents anybody from declaring war on you for 100 turns is not a "game-breaker" to me, I most certainly understand how it could be an infuriating game-breaker to others. I have posted in other threads about how I think it is rediculous to have something that absolutely prevents anybody from declaring war on you, for no better reason than "just because". If they want to make all of the other AI opponents hate you diplomatically for declaring war, or even all of the other races vote to kick you out of the UP council for declaring war, that is fine. But it is ludicrous to have some magical power that totally prevents a player from going to war. IMO.

Hopefully they will make some changes to this as well as some other silly things dealing with ideology trees before official release. If not you can just try to be patient and wait out the 100 turns, maybe wait for somebody to make a mod that removes stuff like this, or just not play. I have loved this series a long long time, and there are many other things about the game that I really like a lot; so I will just go ahead and abuse the crap out of the entire ideology system myself and keep playing

And hopefully you will be able to enjoy the game also

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I agree with the OP.

Choosing between leaving the UP to declare war or staying with the races is a strategic choice that warmongers will consider and a valid one.

But a silly fairy tale pick that makes you or the opponent imune to war for soo long is completely broken. Even if it was just 20 turns it's still op.

I can imagine the diplomatic option of delaying war, by giving gifts, influence or slowing diplomatic processes, but preventing war for an entire galaxy age is just silly.

Beyond that, it can be combined with another victory condition and give you plenty of time to win. You don't have to pick it at the early game and by late game where things accelerate, 20-100 turns is an eternity.

I can easily see me picking that at turn 160 and then go for a science victory as if it was nothing. That's not interesting at all, it's even boring for the player winning.

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Larsenex

Join Date 04/2009

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Its a game feature. Personally I love it.

Just go find another species and attack them OR wait the 100 turns amass a HUGE fleet and crush them. Its seriously not that big of a deal. My wars start mid to LAAAATE game and I have 4 or 5 battle fronts with dozens of fleets moving back and forth fighting everyone. The UP resolution has not come up yet but really all it does is let me re tool my fleet to be even more deadly.

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Mohobie

Join Date 12/2007

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I payed to play this game off steam but most of the time the game never lets me attack another race. I don't think the space UN, pragmatism or whatever can or should be able to stop me from attacking anybody. this game is turning out to be convoluted. I don't care if the game is still in beta! if I am playing malevolent and I choose to attack another race I should be able to attack them with my small fleet no matter what. I am new to this series and I am sure someone out there (probably many other people) feel completely different than I do but I am not going to play a space game where I can build war ships but am constantly told I am unable to attack another race, especially when I never agreed to any peace treaty. for a game that offers so many choices how can it feel so limited? I'm sure the dev's only want to keep the game balanced for players not choosing domination, but if I am on the war path and the game slams to a grinding halt because for no clear reason that anyone else except the dev's and the hardcore fans of the series understand I believe this game has issues. It's the games very first win condition they list off! this game looks great and I should be loving it but I am not having any fun when the choices I have made become irrelevant. the galaxy of choices this game gives has managed to show its seams in less than ten hours. I will keep playing in the hopes I have overlooked something and I will keep trying to discover the fun I am sure this game has. a turn based game is naturally slow and methodical but should never feel like drudgery in my personal opinion. I really like the idea of this game though and will keep trying to love it.

There are several options that prevent an attack including the UP & Ideology which you have listed. In beta 4 you cannot leave the UP council yet. Possibly available in beta 5.. not sure. the ideological prevention is chosen by races as they progress. That is still being balanced both in when you get that and other "bonuses" as well as how powerful (long in this case) they are. If you are being limited by the UP council or ideology they do have a limit. There is alot to the game that is simply not released yet. This is an early access game and by comparison to most early access games it's fairly well flushed with options. That being said, yes I'm a long time fan boy of the series, but even if you paid the full $50 for the game and got 10 hours of play I'd call that a win if you never touched the title again... which I doubt any fan of 4x games would ever do. I can't count how many games I've paid for that I didnt even get a solid 10 hours worth from. I realize this isn't the response your looking for but its just my input on the matter. Give the game a chance and if that is really eating at you perhaps wait for beta 5 before picking it back up. I have no doubt you will enjoy the game much more when more progress is released.

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