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Future of 4X games?

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I was thinking, do you think that 4X games are still a potential growth opportunity in the future?

 

It probably will never reach the point of say, WoW, or LoL, but seeing that GC2 has sustained some pretty impressive sales figures right into 2013 (and maybe 2014), do you think that the market for 4X games is growing rapidly these days?

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Reply #26 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting EvilMaxWar, reply 24

Making a 4x AI that is so good it is pretty much unbeatable by any human, like big blue, without needing the usual AI cheat bonuses would be awesome. It would probably suck to play against it unless you are a hardcore masochistic nerd, but it would be awesome none the less.

I do not believe it is possible though, not only because of technical difficulty but it would require insane amount of budget and continued development time, which makes it commercially impossible to realize.

But if it existed, you can bet the game would become legendary and there would be a cult following who would spend their time trying to beat.

 

In conclusion, i just wish we saw more progress in the intelligence of AIs in video games. It seems not so much progress has been made in my 25 years of video games. Especially when you compare it to how everything else has gotten so Hi-tech.
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I wish that this was someday attempted.

 

I suspect that one day, when Moore's law is over and we're no longer getting the generational performance gains, this will be attempted.

Reply #27 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

I believe that the portion of the market that likes 4x games won't change.

 

 

I really don't know if AI has gotten any better in 4x outside of Stardock. I believe so but it's not by much.

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Reply #28 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting Chibiabos, reply 10

I hope the upcoming Nitrous engine (not in GC3) can do for strategy games what the Unreal engine did for FPSes.
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So we got flashy strategies where everything is scripted, where missions are corridor-like and, at the end, we'll get missions with dogs? Eh... We already had Red Alert with dogs. :)

 

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 19
Bottom line for me on AI is i desire a real challenge, the real possibility (even probability of losing) yet the possibility of winning if I am clever, sneaky, and/ore creative enough with the suite of tools I have.
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Have you tried Myth series? It's more like "tactical" game, but it may provide you droids challenge you looking for.

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 19
I hate attrition games.
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We live in the world where it's much easier to do simplest mathematic, adding health, damage, and ability usage frequency, forcing players to calculate better damage per second per cost and looking for best counters. It also could be interesting task for that interaural ganglion, but that's more from "excel simulator", I agree.

Quoting ElanaAhova, reply 19
Love it when the AI out maneuvers me, or pulls a combo I did not expect.
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Good luck finding those. Guess the main source of games where we see that will be games without any building, where we could operate only with units we have at hands. Yet even there we could have those "mathematical" things.

Reply #29 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Rudy_102, reply 28
So we got flashy strategies where everything is scripted, where missions are corridor-like and, at the end, we'll get missions with dogs? Eh... We already had Red Alert with dogs.
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Red Alert 3 was a poorly done game overall. Excessive cartoon-ish graphics, soft porn acrtresses, and on the whole, it felt so fake. Plus the gameplay was unremarkable as a whole.

 

Quoting Rudy_102, reply 28
Good luck finding those. Guess the main source of games where we see that will be games without any building, where we could operate only with units we have at hands. Yet even there we could have those "mathematical" things.
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AI War may be worth looking at.

Reply #30 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 29
Red Alert 3 was a poorly done game overall. Excessive cartoon-ish graphics, soft porn acrtresses, and on the whole, it felt so fake. Plus the gameplay was unremarkable as a whole.
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I meant 1&2. Every EA touches is... hmm... worse than touched by tiberium. IIRC first RA had either mission, or mini-campaign about cyber-soldier and his dog, no? Eat that, Riley!:D

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 29
AI War may be worth looking at.
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Specifically for what, lack of building, or smart AI?

Reply #31 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting Rudy_102, reply 30
Specifically for what, lack of building, or smart AI?
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It's a strategy game with good AI, although its dated and the graphics aren't too good.

Reply #32 from GalCiv3 Forums Top

Quoting UnleashedElf, reply 31

It's a strategy game with good AI, although its dated and the graphics aren't too good.
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If person thinks that original Avernum or Eador looks fine, and he owns a lot of old games on GoG, how much he cares for graphic? :)