Я согласен с тобой. Космические бои должны быть эпичными, чтобы действительно чувствовать что ты бьёшься за галактику, а не участвуешь в мелкой войне. Думаю космические бои должны быть таких же масштабов что и в начале 3 эпизода Звёздный Войн или на финальную битву из Mass Effect 3.

'Я согласен с тобой. Космические бои должны быть эпичными, чтобы действительно чувствовать что ты бьёшься за галактику...'  I agree, epic battles!  The fate of the galaxy, of all truly civilized societies, is at stake. 

Additionally, I would like to see some sort of overall fleet, task force, management system in place when, at the beginning (or in preparation for) a battle, the players may select from a set of tactics, strategems, strategies their side will attempt to implement.  The interplay of each side's choices made when battle ensues will shape how the battle plays out.  Solid, sound, and/or clever choices may turn the tide.  Items that would affect the possible range of choices would include: current tech of ships; command quality [skill, training, tactics/strategems researched/enabled by research] of fleet/ship leaders; location of battle (near an orbital battery? near a convoy ship/fleet, over a colony / empty world, near many small moons / asteroid belts, etc.); training level of task force / fleet / squad / armada, etc.  Each player would, when battle seems imminent, make a selection from currently available options and issue these directives to the ship / fleet commanders.  Battle would have three stages, the approach, engagement, and withdraw (if going badly) or pursue (if doing well).  They would then attempt to engage enemy ship/TF/fleet/armada using these strategems.  For illustration purposes:  My TF consists of 10 small, very fast, lightly armed w long range weapons, 2 cruiser size hvy protection, med rage weapons, 1 CnC ship, large, heavy protection, few long range weapons.  My choices would depend on current tech, tech of the ships actually there, skills / training of fleet leaders, etc.  Choices might include frontal engage, inflict maximum damage, or, have small ships screen, while rest close and target enemy CnC ship.  Right enfilade.  Left enfilade.  Feint left.  Feint center.  Fighting withdrawal.  Fighting withdrawal towards orbital battery (assuming one is in range).  This way the battles aren't just masses of ships hacking at each other.  A player could watch their leaders attempting to implement the chosen strategies as the battle unfolds, for good or ill.

@starhawk11  yes, that is part of what I was suggesting.  TF, squad, fleet = one descrete unit being built, moved on game map, but actually is a group of ships.  Each unit, depending on its design (mix of ships, tech, leaders assigned, training, would have a set of options for movement and especially when in battle. 

Keeping everything the same only making one ship be 10 ships does not make it more epic. 

I swesr this this exact same conversation happened on the elemental forums years ago.

Yes to epic fleets. Compare "epic" battles of Age of Empires with highly limited numbers of units, and ordinary melee in Cossacs, where you could have more units in formation, than whole AoE party.

The problem with Sins of a Solar Empire was that there were so many ships, and they were difficult to micromanage in battle. Personally i am OK with smaller fleets when we are free to design our own ships.

Making it harder to follow each individual ship by making the battles "epic" doesen't sound like a good idea. The point of the visual battles is to get an idea of how your unit designs performs. 

In this podcast Paul Boyer says, "those fleets can be 60 ships each" (around 46:04 min.).

As for having full control of the camera, that was already possible in GalCiv 2, if you set the camera to Free Cam in the Combat Viewer. I doubt, that the devs would remove that from GalCiv 3.

Yes and no, you'd still get the same general gist of what your ships are doing and performing as even if they operated in battle squadrons instead of single ship units.

Good for you with the eyerolls and whatnot but also way to dramatically oversimplify what I'm saying to try and justify your own stance.

I'm in no way saying take the Empire building part out of the game, and in no way did I even imply that I would sacrifice that to get vast fleets.

What I was saying is that in terms of cinematic experience which oh gosh and golly the battle view pretty much is summed up as would have a more sweeping and epic feel with hundreds of ships per side.

Your argument if you can even call it that since you have no real point beyond some vague references to a game I've never played from a forum I never read from years ago is "Oh well it's just TRICKERY to have a multiple vessel unit!" which is childish and ignores the fact that there are already quite a few strategy games which give the "illusion" of large scale despite sometimes hundreds of pieces being a part of a single "unit".

Good example is the total war series for modern games, THOUSANDS of troops per side...20 units, it gives the "illusion" of an epic clash of armies by using singular units that consist of hundreds of soldiers each and considering you did have to micromanage those troops and that tactical combat was a main focus yes the Empire building side suffered, but that is not to say it has to suffer to get such an "illusion" to still have a desired effect of sweeping scope and vast battles especially considering unlikethe Total War series and some RTS games with multi-piece units you won't need to micromanage and can just sit back and enjoy the show.

And no getting large scale fleets does not require you to dramatically change the game and your own argument of "It's just trickery!" invalidates this claim by itself. Because yeah it's an "illusion" because I'd design a class of say destroyers and just build a squadron of them as a single piece ala Total War and other such games. Lots of visual appeal and cool eye candy to watch...no dramatic shifts in game design.

It's also important that the logistic system don't get broken by massive amounts of ships possible in a fleet. There needs to be a fine tuned balance there.

whet about taking a idea from elemental.

at the starts of the game you make 2 fighter per build, but has the game progress you make 16 per batch

Crussers should be singe built always, but if you build a carrier you get the whole battle group.