Blasphemy! Blasphemy! Blasphemy! Is what the nay Sayers will tell you for even mentioning the idea. Watch out the walls have ears. (half lol)

If you're just ship commander, then design is outside of your control, you won't have enough responsibilities to do so. Your job is to command, and to adapt your actions and crew to existing circumstances. Command could give you new ship to test it (whole upgrades system was one of few comlains I had to Nexus, for me it's just outside of our area of responsibility), but that's all. Should we have good records, we could ask transfer on better ship, or request certain upgrades but nothing more.

As I see learning curve of this game it should start in academy - big, mostly text-based tutorial. During it, or after exams, player will be send to different ships, where he would assume different positions. Starting one could be engineering officers, to check player's understanding of maneuvers, and proper use of it. Then we could be transfered to comms/radar officer, where game would tech player to control battlefield, and command other ships. Not necessary through submenues, but it works fine in simulators, so maybe through them. Our next post should be either artillery and/or mines/torpedoes officer, where we show how we understand fighting principles. Final, and most important test is navigation officer, where we serve as navigator. Should we pass this test, we'll be given command of our first ship, some small patrol cutter. Then we slowly climb up the ranks, getting bigger ships, or, if we wish, getting smaller ships units command - say destroyers flotilla.

Overall, game should look similar to Silent Hunter (3, if that's important), but less on simulation side, and more or tactical/control side. So when you'll be commanding your ship, you won't have to control each of the aspects - because you'll have subordinate officers who will do that for you, but should you desire to use some illumination shot instead of sabot, you could order to do that, and your artillery officer should follow your order. But you don't have to control each and every turret (or any other form of armament).

The learning curve I suggested is indeed resemble that of Wermacht officers, where candidates went through all subordinate steps, to sieve only worthy ones, thus guaranteeing quality of officers' corps.

This is a discussion forum, last I checked. Discussion is going to happen. If you want to be able to just say anything without "interruption" (aka: people telling you why the idea won't work), go start a blog. 

Ive read them already. I've been here a while.

The problem is they also said that ordering individual ships what to fire on won't be happening. How do you take that and infer from it that there is going to be anything other than a more sophisticated auto resolve system?

Thats kind of the problem right now. There isn't enough information to know what it is, so we are seeing what we want to see (myself included). Based on what's been given with fleet roles and the new mechanics, I expect a better version of Endless Space style combat. - give your orders at the start then watch it play out. I don't see any way they do real time combat, because it doesn't fit with what has been said. The turn based nature of the game is big to them, if it was going real time in some component it would have come up by now. 

The little we know on roles is here: https://forums.galciv3.com/450893/page/1/

You can use it to alter ship behaviors in some way, which sounds like a way to have tactics in battles.

Endless Space had battles where you pick a "card", which was a special ability, for each of three phases. You then watched the outcome. The battles look awesome, but the card system itself is a weak point of the game. The expansion Disharmony added formations and some basic orders, so you could tell your ships to focus or spread fire, and put stronger ships in front of weaker ones. 

Please read that part of my post again. I said that combat in GalCiv 3 will be more complex, and then provided some links to where the devs talked about some of the changes to the combat mechanic. That's all.

I did. Several times in fact, and I didn't see a single hint in them (or any of the other dev-posts), that there'll be tactical combat (whether turn-based or real-time) in GalCiv 3. Rather the opposite.

The best part about the alpha launch will be to finally bury this dead horse. Of course, people will still try to dig it up and beat on it some more, but at least we'll have concrete proof to shut them up with.

Wikipedia jack

I had many counter quotes and then fate happened, going to and from web pages I lost what I had written. So I will speak from the heart as I shall not put more time into this than I already have.

please look at the comments made about rates of fire by Mr. wardell, when you think about it and realize LOGICALLY that the old combat system without any tactics now has a cousin that dose and has the option of auto resolve. Please comment on that after you have read it. Please say something about those game mechanics. And what that means to you.

you have been undermining all my ideas and speculations to satisfy your own personal beliefs without observing the merits of my argument.

"I did. Several in fact, and I didn't see a single hint in them (or any of the other dev-posts), that there'll be tactical combat (whether turn-based or real-time) in GalCiv 3. Rather the opposite."

are you feeling ok? the opposite? How can you or anyone think that? You acknowledge the change but not any possibility given. The conversations here, the links, the consensus I and tridus sorta had, and the hint I gave you above should at least give you a different opinion on the game combat mechanics.

AND CAN SOMEONE ELSE LOOK AT THE LINKS AND GIVE A SECOND OPINION ON THE FEATURES MENTIONED, please.

and you are now my frienemy. Lol

respectfully DARCA.

Well I read a lot of this, and I will have to agreee that Brad said that Galactic civilizations is not a tactical game, and that there will be no tactics. The answer to tactics is that you will be able to assign ships combat roles. This is not that much you will probably highlight the ship, and under the options there will probably be a combat role option. This will have a default. Basically this would mean that the combat is basically the same the only difference is that the ships will do what you already to them to do. This is most like distant worlds than anything. I would like to see the combat viewer more like endless space that Galactic civilizations.

The reason why people even thought there was going to be real time is because Galactic civilizations suggested that people will take their turns at the same time to speed things up. People have interpret this to mean real time when in actualality this probably more like civilization option where they are doing where players take their turns simultaneously, but you still end the turns. Still turn base. This is probably what you are going to see on the game.

sleep well in Germany? Had a good morning?(partly sarcastic and curious?)

I know there will be no real time combat we covered that days ago. To clarify that again. There will be a form of it. Something that involves tactics of some sort and the only reason why we are talking now is because you said."tactical combat (whether turn-based or real-time) in GalCiv 3. Rather the opposite." just from the option of the stated by the devs "auto resolve means the above statement is false and they want to make combat more tactical and fun than boring and outdated.

how can I be trying to make this game into something I never played? I am no longer lobbying for anything but clarity.

and again rates of fire, speed, evasion accuracy all of those should have given you a HINT when they were mentioned by the devs. And I wait YOUR interpretation on those. Although me and tridus I think put together a good idea of it is though the process for friendly argument, and he got karma if you were listening(I even gave you karma to for balancing out forum opinions ironically)

if we keep squabbling the devs will come off their cloud and zap us with doom rays.

fyi it's late here in the states it's late I'm going to bed, gaunathor the forums are your to quote.

First off, please stop misquoting me. It gets really annoying. There is a quote-function. Please use it, if you want to address something specific I said.

Secondly, I have already said, that the devs want to make combat more complex.

Lastly, how does auto-resolve make my statement, that the devs haven't provided any hints in favour of tactical combat, false?

All those new stats just mean, that the devs want to make how you design your ships have a bigger effect on how effective they are in combat. There will still be only auto-resolve and the Battle Viewer. You will not be able to directly control your ships during combat, but you can assign specific roles to them, which determines their combat-behaviour.

Brad has also said specifically that they're not making MOO2 style turn based combat where you pick individual ships and tell them what to shoot at (which is commonly known as turn based tactical combat). So we have the lead developer saying it won't be "a realtime tactical combat game", and we have the company owner saying there won't be "pick individual ships and tell them what to fire at turn based tactical combat".

At some point, it becomes hard to combine those statements and come up with a supporting argument for any kind of indepth tactical combat.

Given the ship roles system and the other stats, I still expect something where you can set up your fleet and possibly choose a tactic before the battle starts, but the battle plays out without player interaction. That would be more interactive than Galciv 2 as you can influence the battle outcome with your choices, but it also fits with what's been said.

I kind of like it, honestly. It lets me be involved in combat (unlike the totally hands off GalCiv 2) without bogging down the strategy layer of the game, which is the real focus here. Contrast that with Age of Wonders 3 (the other game I'm eagerly awaiting this spring), which when you get down to it is looking like a pretty awesome tactical combat game that has a strategy layer on top of it providing a stage and framework for said tactical combat.