Timmaigh Timmaigh

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"new" iPhones

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 So, what is your opinion?

Personally, i cant stop laughing at the price of the supposed "cheap" 5C. 600 EUROs is truly price for masses, lol.

I wonder who is going to buy it, if for 700 you can have 5S, which at least looks like its worth that price. Not to mention all those Androids, which are cheaper and have better HW.

I think they are losing their mojo... i actually have iPhone 4S, and i really like it. But i have absolutely no reason to replace it, as they are completely failing to improve on it second year in a row. I mean better HW nor camera is not enough - its novel things like Siri i would like to see. 

anyway, maybe its a good thing. At least i am not compelled to lose money on stuff i dont really need :grin:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Reply #26 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

Quoting Timmaigh, reply 25


Quoting heft, reply 16
IMO iOS 7 is kinda ugly... The first time Ive seen Apple mimic Microsoft's style. 

 

Well, they mimic it cause its modern and minimalistic, therefore good. I quite liked the old style as well, bar some details, but new one is IMHO better. Actually it managed to copy modern look of Windows while being not as impersonal. 

 

 
End of Timmaigh's quote

it all comes down to taste. I don't really like the new look. Maybe I'm just getting old! =-D

 

Reply #27 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting Timmaigh, reply 25
Well, they mimic it cause its modern and minimalistic, therefore good.
End of Timmaigh's quote

Surely that is entirely subjective? I hate the new look of IOS7, and will NOT be "upgrading". I like rich graphical interfaces, you can keep the minimalistic stuff. B[]

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Reply #28 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Next in iOS 8 : Square non rounded one color buttons with plain white symbols and contrast-poor controls/GUIs in apps. Oh wait...  I know that from somewhere...

Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting BoXXi, reply 27


Quoting Timmaigh, reply 25Well, they mimic it cause its modern and minimalistic, therefore good.

Surely that is entirely subjective? I hate the new look of IOS7, and will NOT be "upgrading". I like rich graphical interfaces, you can keep the minimalistic stuff.
End of BoXXi's quote

It is subjective, but at the same time you would be lying to yourself if you thought every opinion is equal, and this includes even such matter as aesthetical preference. I mean, surely Jonathan Ive or whatever is that main Apple designer called is not in that position he is and earns the kind of money he earns, cause his subjective opinion on what is aesthetically pleasing and therefore how Apple products should look like is the same as average Joe´s one.

 

 And BTW, while its minimalistic, i would not say its not graphically rich. For example it is way more animated than before, there are new dynamic wallpapers and it supports parallax scrolling... but it is your phone and your choice. I for one skipped iOS6 completely for example, as it did not bring anything of interest to me and would most likely do the same with 7, if it at least did not look different. Functionality wise, there is IMHO no reason to upgrade, its just small bells and whistles, but no groundbreaking addition there.  Actually, i believe due to the animations and shit its slower and laggier than ever before, at least on iPhone 4S. Guess its fine on newer models though.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm not enamored of the UI but I tolerate it for the improved functionality.  Once a jailbreak is available, I'll be glad to dump the flowery pastels, though.

Reply #32 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting Timmaigh, reply 29
It is subjective, but at the same time you would be lying to yourself if you thought every opinion is equal, and this includes even such matter as aesthetical preference. I mean, surely Jonathan Ive or whatever is that main Apple designer called is not in that position he is and earns the kind of money he earns, cause his subjective opinion on what is aesthetically pleasing and therefore how Apple products should look like is the same as average Joe´s one.
End of Timmaigh's quote

Perhaps he simply slept with the boss's wife....or the boss....

If his design/interpretation of what is good aesthetics doesn't match mass public opinion perhaps you have a good reason for why Apple is now a follower and Samsung is a leader.

Every person's opinion of aesthetics is equal and legitimate.

Some may be culturally/professionally naive but no less valid.

What becomes popular and/or mainstream is concensus.

Fine Art is and always has been the same....the only difference is there has arisen an 'industry' of self-proclaimed 'experts' aka 'critics' who attempt to DICTATE what the public is SUPPOSED to like.

Having been an Architect for 40 years has simply taught me how to 'argue' my opinion as being educated and thus 'superior' to others....but in truth it is simply ego to justify professional fees.

If you personally think the Mona Lisa is a daggy bird with a crooked smile....then that's EXACTLY all she is.

Sadly the truth comes out and the whole world/taste thing goes to poo when the likes of 'New Direction' are lauded as great talents [typically by pre-pubescent teenagers whose taste is as fleeting in ADHD as a moth's argument with a candle]...;)

Reply #33 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 32
If his design/interpretation of what is good aesthetics doesn't match mass public opinion perhaps you have a good reason for why Apple is now a follower and Samsung is a leader.
End of Jafo's quote

 

Samsung is a leader in industrial design or interface design? when did that happen?   o_O

Reply #34 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Jafo: I agree with everything you said there....... (Except it's ONE Direction, not NEW Direction...... lol Personally, I think it should be Wrong Direction!) :)

 

Reply #35 from WinCustomize Forums Top

This is probably the REAL reason for the crap new interface in IOS7......

 

Imagine the conversation......

APPLE DEVELOPER: Ok boss, we've finished IOS7, and everything is good except the file size is freaking HUGE!

CHIEF APPLE GUY: Shit! How can we slim it down? How did Samsung keep THEIR file size down?

APPLE DEVELOPER: They put a flat boring interface on it.

CHIEF APPLE GUY: Well do that then!

APPLE DEVELOPER: But people like the beauty of our interfaces, how will we get away with that?

CHIEF APPLE GUY: Oh don't worry, most of our users are sheep, if we TELL them it's better, they'll just accept it and defend it against the world!

APPLE DEVELOPER: You're a genius boss........ Thanks.

 

Probably closer to the truth than you would imagine......... B[]

Reply #36 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting BoXXi, reply 35

This is probably the REAL reason for the crap new interface in IOS7......

 

Imagine the conversation......

APPLE DEVELOPER: Ok boss, we've finished IOS7, and everything is good except the file size is freaking HUGE!

CHIEF APPLE GUY: Shit! How can we slim it down? How did Samsung keep THEIR file size down?

APPLE DEVELOPER: They put a flat boring interface on it.

CHIEF APPLE GUY: Well do that then!

APPLE DEVELOPER: But people like the beauty of our interfaces, how will we get away with that?

CHIEF APPLE GUY: Oh don't worry, most of our users are sheep, if we TELL them it's better, they'll just accept it and defend it against the world!

APPLE DEVELOPER: You're a genius boss........ Thanks.

 

Probably closer to the truth than you would imagine.........
End of BoXXi's quote

 

 

nice story. but in real life iOS (both 6 and 7) is about 1.5 GB, stock Android is 2.5 GB and Samsung adds an additional 5 GB of bloatware. ;)

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-says-galaxy-s-4-software-bloat-may-be-trimmed-with-new-firmware-16282386/

Reply #37 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting moshi, reply 33
Samsung is a leader in industrial design or interface design? when did that happen?
End of moshi's quote

Market leader.

Clearly the non-Apple brigade has a better handle on 'what Joe Public wants' than that bunch who even had to steal their name [cos Jobs liked the Beatles]...;p

Reply #38 from Sins Forums Top

No no no, they're features!

 

99.99% of the users wont use them all and most of the users probably wont utilize hardly any of them, but bloatware that isn't just some crap trial isn't really a negative.  It would be nice if they weren't partitioning the drive with all that bullshit in locked down space though...

 

Then again, until an iPhone discovers removable storage media, it's all academic.  Samsung could bloat their way to the full 16 gigs and you could still toss in a 64 gig micro sd card.  Not that I care either way, I think everyone is insane to be wasting so much money on some tiny ass computer with such limited use.

Reply #39 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 38
99.99% of the users wont use them all and most of the users probably wont utilize hardly any of them,
End of psychoak's quote

Life is like a 10 speed bicycle....

....some people have gears they don't even use...;)

Reply #40 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Limited use? I use mine all the time. It's my watch, TV guide, stereo, note pad, reminder, game console, phone, texting, and even comes in handy if you need the Internet and aren't home. I could go on but you get my drift.

 

 

 

Reply #41 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 37
Market leader. ...  'what Joe Public wants' ...
End of Jafo's quote

 

ah, ok. Samsung as a leader in industrial design would have been a weird thought. on market leaders i may quote:

 

Quoting Jafo, reply 32
Sadly the truth comes out and the whole world/taste thing goes to poo when the likes of 'New Direction' are lauded as great talents [typically by pre-pubescent teenagers whose taste is as fleeting in ADHD as a moth's argument with a candle]...
End of Jafo's quote

 

Samsung builds nice phones, but that they are selling so many of them has more to with a wide product range covering all price segments and with the arrangements they have with providers than with a leadership on innovation (that would mostly be Google anyways, not Samsung).

 

 

Reply #42 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 38
removable storage media
End of psychoak's quote

 

where can one get those? in the typewriter store? ;)

Reply #43 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 32


Quoting Timmaigh, reply 29It is subjective, but at the same time you would be lying to yourself if you thought every opinion is equal, and this includes even such matter as aesthetical preference. I mean, surely Jonathan Ive or whatever is that main Apple designer called is not in that position he is and earns the kind of money he earns, cause his subjective opinion on what is aesthetically pleasing and therefore how Apple products should look like is the same as average Joe´s one.

Perhaps he simply slept with the boss's wife....or the boss....

If his design/interpretation of what is good aesthetics doesn't match mass public opinion perhaps you have a good reason for why Apple is now a follower and Samsung is a leader.

Every person's opinion of aesthetics is equal and legitimate.

Some may be culturally/professionally naive but no less valid.

What becomes popular and/or mainstream is concensus.

Fine Art is and always has been the same....the only difference is there has arisen an 'industry' of self-proclaimed 'experts' aka 'critics' who attempt to DICTATE what the public is SUPPOSED to like.

Having been an Architect for 40 years has simply taught me how to 'argue' my opinion as being educated and thus 'superior' to others....but in truth it is simply ego to justify professional fees.

If you personally think the Mona Lisa is a daggy bird with a crooked smile....then that's EXACTLY all she is.

Sadly the truth comes out and the whole world/taste thing goes to poo when the likes of 'New Direction' are lauded as great talents [typically by pre-pubescent teenagers whose taste is as fleeting in ADHD as a moth's argument with a candle]...
End of Jafo's quote

Apple may follow Samsung now, when it comes to hardware (stuff like CPUs, cameras, memory, NFC, etc...), but they certainly do not copy their design. They would be retarded doing so anyway, since the likes of Galaxy S3 are fugly as hell. Surely you can see it as a fellow architect.

Personally i dont think Apple products are popular cause they are "prettier" than the rest, as majority of people dont care/see it anyway, its more like that aura of luxury they managed to create around them. 

I dont really agree that opinions are equal, its like saying that my opinion on quantum mechanics is equal to Hawkings, regardless of the fact that i know shit about quantum mechanics (compared to Hawking). Since aesthetics is sort of intuitive thing and you dont need IQ 150 to understand it, shall it be different?

The eye for beauty is IMHO a gift (same as high IQ). Not everyone possesses it. Thus not everyone is equally capable to judge what is aesthetically pleasing and what is not. 

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Timmaigh, reply 43
Thus not everyone is equally capable to judge what is aesthetically pleasing and what is not.
End of Timmaigh's quote

That's a bit oxymoronic.  Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

Reply #45 from Sins Forums Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 44


Quoting Timmaigh, reply 43Thus not everyone is equally capable to judge what is aesthetically pleasing and what is not.

That's a bit oxymoronic.  Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.
End of Daiwa's quote

Thats what they say, but contrary to that I believe the beauty is universal. 

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #46 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

De gustibus non est disputandum - "In matters of taste, there can be no disputes" - good advice

Reply #47 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Quoting heft, reply 46

De gustibus non est disputandum - "In matters of taste, there can be no disputes" - good advice
End of heft's quote

 

would be a good advice if this would be about art.

we are talking about design though. in design there can be different opinions about whether a design is good or bad, but it is not really about taste. some things are even universal.

let's say you like red text on a green background. now, if you create a piece of art that's fine. in design that is very poor, universal.

Reply #48 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting moshi, reply 41



 

Samsung builds nice phones, but that they are selling so many of them has more to with a wide product range covering all price segments and with the arrangements they have with providers than with a leadership on innovation (that would mostly be Google anyways, not Samsung).

 

 
End of moshi's quote

You don't have to do it first. You just have to do it better and/or Cheaper. Apple purposely ignores most of the market to maintain the "luxury" status. Which is fine with me.. I don't wear armani  either.  Sure armani is a major innovator in style.. but i can't get over the fact that an armani baseball hat is 400$. :thumbsdown:


I'm rather comfortable with the fact that any innovation he makes i can pick up in 6 months from some no name brand at K-mart for 10$.  The 390$ mark up isn't worth it to ME to have it when its still considered innovation and not last seasons fashion. Get what i'm saying?

Reply #49 from WinCustomize Forums Top

I've had my iphone5 for a couple months now and I love it. It's very close to having my pc in my back pocket.  Fab

I am not interested in an upgrade at this time.

Reply #50 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Looking at iOS 7 now and the GUI more and more Apps have via update I ask myself why I didn't get stuck with a Windows phone I had between 3GS and now 5. If I had wanted flat contrast poor design of apps I would have done that for sure.

I wonder how long it takes until apple claims to have invented the 'Modern UI'...