SS Number (or the equivalent in the US), medical history, criminal record, places of employment, places resided.  Just think of every thing the government has on you, and that is what is contained in the card.  it opens doors for many things, most of them not good.

Gattaca.  We laugh at movies like that.  But they did not spring up from nothing, but from historical examples of abuse.

That is 47.8 million, not percent.  Which makes them about 15% of the population.  They are the fastest growing segment of the population.

Isn't keeping illegals from voting the goal, the thrust behind this latest push for National ID cards?

However, keeping illegals from voting by way of national ID cards that require acquiring more information for identification of citizens is nuts.

It's the same of laws on gun control....Honest citizens now must go through hoops and loops to own guns. Meanwhile, the bad ones still get guns.

I stand corrected, you are right Doc, 15.8% this year.

If they would only follow the existing laws on the books their would be no issues. I say hammer the employers, from the guy that hires someone to cut their grass right up to the corporations. Fine the $10K per illegal worker. This will help the deficit, it will also save the taxpayers money, as the illegals will go home on their own, without us paying their transportation. Go home and fix the issues in your own country that caused you to leave, instead of transforming the US into where you came from.

You'd be surprised how many groups, well left of center, want to allow illegals to right to vote.

This fix makes too much sense and there doesn't seem to be alot of that around Congress these days. And unfortunately, those who know it, don't have the courage to actually carry it through with actions.

I'm annoyed by this, but not surprised.

You know, I'm really at a lose as to why legal immigrants want to support their countrymen that are here illegally. Do they crave their homeland so much that they would recreate it here? Why did they leave if that is the case? Resources are finite.

Hey lula, haven't seen you around in a while. Keep an eye, Schumer and Grahmnesty are pushing it even as the poisoned Obamacare debacle rages on. I hope the people of SC dump Lindsey Grahmnesty next election. He's a cancer.

Actually no.  It is a bone they are trying to throw to those against legalizing illegal immigrants.  They want to legalize them (basically whitewash the whole mess), but for those that object to basically legalizing criminal activity, they want the ID card so that "no more" illegals get in once they pass the law.  Which of course is stupid. ALl it will do is make it more expensive for the illegals to get a card (it is only about $150 now to get a SS card and other documentation so they can work).

heaven forbid it was for voting!  They are still suing in some states to prevent a picture ID from being used (provided free by the government if you do not have one).

it is not legal immigrants that are supporting it, but some minorities do.  However they are split on the issue (many blacks and hispanics do not like getting undercut for a job).

Oh ya. Ah huh.

What you call stupid I call nuts...it's both and more could be added as well!

It's basically the same as they did in passing so called gun control laws...

I'd pass a legislation forcing the employers to pay the same salary for all employees, even illegal immigrants. Some sort of law that if an employer is discovered to have hired illegals, he better have paid the same salary than your legal citizen otherwise he would be brough down hard. Hard

That way, the economical advantage to hiring illegals would diminish and there would be less work for them, more work for legals.

It's just that I am sure there are some fuzzy area regarding the illegality of people hiring aliens, otherwise why is it so rampant openly?

That would go some, but the truth is many of the illegals are very grateful for the opportunity to work, and are excellent workers.  In other words, they would still be hired over americans that think they are owed something.

I think Nitro's solution is better.  Fine the hell out of the companies hiring them.

Ok, Boxer day, Politics style!  Where Conservatives rail against the big bad mean corporations and liberals cry how picked on they are!  Because the reality is just that.  Businesses do it because it is cheap (some are dirty too.  One outfit here called the INS on its workers just days before it finished a major construction project - got out of paying them, the bastards).  So business hires, them and then pays the politicians (wink wink) to look the other way and get a nice big fat contribution.

But the other reason is that there are just so many INS agents, and there are 15 million illegals.  NOt all of them carry a sign designating them as such.

In my book illegal is illegal, any employer that hires an illegal is complicit in that crime (aiding and abetting). But to answer your question, it's because of a liberal interpretation of the law. Why do people openly smoke pot in California? Why does criminals that commit crimes with guns get the maximum sentences? Because people are afraid to offend someone. He may have had a troubled childhood or just being a minority can be a good defense.

I know what you will say, he's just railing against liberals again. Really? Just go to some of these liberal organizations and see what they are against, don't take my word for it.

Here's a start http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/about-us/platform/full-platform

Here's a few of their gems (you can't make this crap up):

These are the folks cheering the Health Care "Reform" bill BTW. Note the how the platform has many similarities to the one that begins with a "D".

But.. it's a matter for the police to investigate on those case,  not on the politicians covering legistlation. It's about the enforcement of the law, not about the laws overseeing the problem.

You know, we have the same freaking law in Quebec about French, yet you americans keep laughing at us about it.

Talk about hypocrisy.

Well now that we know how it's supposed to work.....

I don't believe at this point in time, that this group is indicative of most "American's".

Frankly, concerning French Canadians, I'd be surprised if more than 2% percent of Americans know enough about the issue to have an opinion on it at all.

Indeed. But every single time I've heard it mentionned in any American media, it was to make fun at it.

In short, mentionned only as a joke point. Funny, as a binlingual country with one culture being afraid to loose it's core identity is exactly Quebec's struggle. Learning about this struggle and know what are the proper steps to preserve your own would actually be helpful to you culture.

But then again, it's outside of your borders.. so why would the average american care for it's next-door neighbours?

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My point was, you cannot blame the politicians if the police and prosecutors aren't doing their job. Politicians vote laws. They do not enforce it.

I have a feeling that by "support" they don't mean "work to create that income".

That doesn't make sense. If people work 30-hour weeks for "40 hours pay", 40 hours pay will simply be the new 30 hours pay.

The real question is, how would they make 30 hours be equal to 40 hours in value? Will they force people to work harder?

yes, but who is the boss of the police?  Politicians.  If your boss tells you NOT to do something, you can do it (because it is right) and get fired, or not do it and keep your job.  Wink, Wink.

As Nitrco said....

Do not confuse them with facts.  They are not smart enough to understand how stupid they are.  It is like Ted {hic} Kennedy and the Minimum wage law.  They screamed "it must be raised!" and to what?  Why? They raised it to $7.50/hour.  Why?  Why not $10/hr?  $100/hr?  Why are they forcing minimum wage people to live like the poor instead of the wealthy?  The argument always falls apart when you take it to the absurd, because the law is absurd.  It really does not help anyone.  If you make $100/hr the new minimum wage, then bread is going to cost $100/loaf.  People can be duped, but the laws of supply and demand cannot be.

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In what kind of country do you live? I mean, is that Dubai? China?

Over here, surprise surprise, the police administration is independant of the political establishment. You have a board of administrator appointed by the local government, off course. That board then appoint the police chiefs. However, the process has a slow turnover that garantee an independance between the politicians and the police.

So, you know, police can investigate on politicians? Recently, the Police of Montreal has investigated on some of the City Hall's corruption problem. The City Hall tried to apply pressure, but there was nothing they could do.

Hey, I'm just the messenger, and I only touched on their "demands'. If you want a good laugh, check out the accompanying link to read their whole agenda. Sadly, there are many of these socialist groups popping up in the US, and most of those believe they are owed a living.

Not far off (China).  But Police can investigate politicians - but they better have a slam dunk case or they are done.  Itis not the way it is suppose to work, it is the way it does work.  Sad but true.  WHile your city Hall "tried" too often ours succeeds.  We had one clown in my county that was as dirty as sludge and it took 10 years to get him out of office and in prison!  You think it would take that long to get John Doe?

You are in China? Lucky bastard. What part?