While I agree that his approach in vocalising the point was a bit "unorthodox", there's a point in his words. "...they will get done when they are done..." is not an acceptable standard of quality assurance and product maitenance. I'm afraid after such a long time in "constant development" with nothing to show for it Stardock can't justify more support and encouragement. Lack of clear details and disinformation certainly don't warrant  them.

Do you use Window?  Point made.

incOgnito - You have made your point several times in this post. If you have a complaint on how Stardock runs it's business then please email [email protected].

There have been replies from Stardock personnel already in this post and it's still the Holiday break for Stardock. You have made your point that you are not pleased and repeating the same line over and over again is not going to solve anything here.

Thanks

incOgnito... you have made your point... over and over... and over.  Now it is obvious that you don't like Stardock... it has frustrated you to the point of constant and frequent repetition of just how annoyed and frustrated you are, and despite constant and frequent repetition of your ObjectDock gripe, Stardock has done nothing to help ease your obvious pain, so, in the interest of better health... on your part, because you'd sleep much better when devoid of this constant source of annoyance, not to mention constantly pulling your hair out... going blue in the face because nobody is listening to you, it might be an idea to move on, part ways, piss off, seek a working dock elsewhere... to seek another company to condemn, ridicule and annoy the crap out of, one that would supply a bit of cheese to go with that constant whine.

Put bluntly, and in short, nobody is twisting your arm to stay... if your'e not happy, exercise your democratic right to leave...

... and don't let the door his yer arse on the way out.

There, there's a few somebody's who have been dying to say that, but were too polite...

...somebody had to say it, however, and my patience had worn thin enough to do so.

EDIT:  Hehe, Hankers, snuck yours in while I was writing mine... though not as tactfully as you.

If you feel that there's enough cause to bash those who complain then there's enough cause to bash Stardock and those who bash the complainers. Whether I stay or leave isn't going to accelerate OD's release. I suppose that you can classify me as a chronic complainer. However, I am also a loyal customer. Many times, the more you do for your loyal customers, the more they will recommend you to others.

Hey doc are you sure about that, cos  I know theres a huge pizza whith HG sitting in front of it  and he is holding a knife and fork, I think he  means business

any effort to inject humor into this thread was met by interminable, repetitive, miserable whining. doomed to failure, mrs starkers.

Oh but it's been appreciated    Adds a little color while I watch the 3rd version of this same thread.

Third?

Geez you missed a few, then....;p

Lol that pizza in the pic was a snack, I'm on to bigger things. Like trying to read yet another gripe thread on OD release date, or lack there of.

It all boils down to this, you bought a point release. You got what you paid for. If you dont think OD is worth the wait, feel free to move on. If you do, stick around and wait paitently with the rest of us. Getting ur knickers in a bunch will only be painful and embarassing for you and those who have to see it..

Sorry people - as much as I dislike the tone of the initial post - but I am also sick of people calling others  'whiners' when they make their point in all honesty - even several times. What it has come to on WC in all the years I am here now  is a trend that praisers and all positive 'the world is all nice' writers are loved more here than honest ones (sometimes it seems to me, that that is the only reason those karma ponts are made for). Please don't confuse constructive/valid points of criticism with 'whining' all the time...

And I still think 'we' have showed patience enough when that first game came, then the second and the third and then that little favorite project 'Fences'. Loyalty is a good thing - and I still entitle myself a loyal Stardock customer - but don't demand it to become devotion from each and everyone.

inc0gnito reckons "OD also happens to be the market leader of dock software, so there's little worthy competition. "

Well the market leader of dock software is continually losing market share and there is worthy competition stepping up to the plate.

Nexus/Winstep Xtreme is rapidly becoming all that Stardock/ObjectDock is not -

Winstep communicate openly and freely with their forum members ie users/customers

Winstep are actively and continually developing Nexus along with  Winstep Xtreme

Nexus/Winstep Xtreme is being made compatible with the latest Windows OS

Winstep don't seem to like unhappy customers

To me this is a tick in every box

I purchased ObjectDock+ about a year ago and since there has been no response or movement from Stardock to acknowledge the problems I have let alone fix them, I have moved to  Nexus/Winstep Xtreme.

I am not a software developer but am a hardware/firmware developer. If I treated my customers the way Stardock treat their ObjectDock+ customers I would not be surprised when I went broke.

Time to stop flogging a dead horse and move on.

Sorry for the typo you noticed and let me know about, keep an eye on me I do it a lot.  Yes I meant "Windows" as in the OS, and the point was an answer to your complaining about software running late in developement and then constantly having to have problems worked out.

Bingo!

And it's you and the other few thousand chronic complainers that would defeat the purpose of releasing something that is NOT ready to be released. Cause then you would all just be back on here complaining about THAT and saying things like 'Why would you release something with so many bugs?!'

People have tried to assist, help, and offer you sound advice. Hell, the Doc is waisting his best material just trying to get you to lighten up. You obviously just want to vent. Don't you have a neighbors house you could egg?

Where does it say that you are gauranteed ANY maintenance or updates? Objectdock would not be the first software that was dropped by the makers and left as is in it's current state. You must have realized that when you purchased it. Look at half the desktop enhancement programs that have been abandonded. If you have ISSUES with your software, if it's broken, you would be much better off listing the bugs. Stardock relies heavily on the input of the customers and takes that input seriously. Look around the forums at the threads where they ask what people would like to see in the 'next' version of something.

I can appreciate your desire to see an update. I can even appreciate your frustration in feeling that it's taken to long. But you're approach is lacking.

Someone please...bring out the dead horses already! This is not going to accomplish anything. It's just to go on and on and on. I'd love more than anyone to see an update to OD+...and it will happen when it happens. This is just wasted space to go on like this.

I'm suprised Hankers hasn't already locked it. I thought he would by now.

Precisely!  Whenever an ObjectDock thread is posted, regardless of its context, there you are complaining, whinging and bitching... over and over again.  However, it is NOT the complaint that gets up my nose, it's the frequency and repetition of the same gripe.

Your complaint was noted the first time... its frequent repetition here will NOT produce the desired results.  As it has been explained to you many times, the lead developer has been flat out and has not been able to address updates for OD... as yet.  However, work has resumed and an update will be made available as soon as it is deemed viable... whining that it has not yet arrived will NOT make it materialise any sooner.  When you are able to grasp all this and learn some patience, the better for you, the better for your fellow forum users... the better for ObjectDock.

As for my 'less than polite' post before, that was not an attempt at direct nastiness, but rather to demonstrate how your repetitive whining makes a lot of other forum dwellers feel.  How about you show a little respect for them and let it (the samo, samo) go??

Thank you.

You may or may not be aware, but it's Stardock's policy to provide free updates for minor point releases. You also may or may not be aware of what it says on the OD's product page regarding being in constant development and being updated often. Stardock didn't put it there hoping that people won't notice, did they? I spent days in communications with Stardock regarding bugs -- narrowing them down, writing e-mails, taking screenshots, sending error logs. That was 1.5-2 years ago. I also listed bugs that I encounter in the approriate thread on this forum? As a diligent user who went way out of his way to help improve OD, I help up my end of the deal. Stardock haven't delivered on theirs, it's as simple as that.

Why is it that it's just he who is able to update OD? Can that work not be delegated to another programmer? The code of a piece of software doesn't change depending on who sits in front of a monitor. Not enough programmers to go around all the projects? Hire more (actually, that is what Stardock is doing), invest in software and if you do a good job it will pay off.

As to the respect and feelings of other forum dwellers, it seems to me that the ones who are getting upset are those who actually don't have (or have very few) problems with their OD usage. Since I can't expect any empathy from such people, I don't see why I should let it go. If I am so "bad" when there are problems with OD, imagine how "good" I'd be if and when those problems are dealt with.

This is where it shows you don't understand the programming side of Windows customization very well... Speaking from experience, this is a very specialized area, nothing to do with what I call 'sausage factories' (the B2B 'serious' database applications and so on...). The later everyone can do, the former is a specialized field wich requires a lot of experience with the Windows API and intimate knowledge of the OS and its inner workings.

ObjectDock is Jeff's baby, the same way WindowBlinds is Neil's baby and Winstep Xtreme/Nexus is my baby. Each one of us knows the applications we develop inside out - and we're probably the only ones that do. Bringing in an outside programmer would not help things at all, as there aren't a lot of people in the world who have the necessary experience and knowledge to do what we do. These are highly complex applications, trust me (especially WindowBlinds).

With his chosen nym and the fact he shows not to be a customer, credibility was lost long ago.

Jorge's put it clearly yet again...;)

Doesn't matter how clearly Jorge or anyone else has put it... incOgnito clearly doesn't want to listen... simple as that.

The available answers have been given... none good enough... time to lock this sucker up, me thinks.

If OD is Jeff's baby, then he's not being a very good parent, is he? Not only he's raising his children single-handedly, but he's also favouring another child over his older sibling. I'm not suggesting getting someone who isn't suitable, the right knowledge and experience are obviously a given. However, you cannot dismiss that a situation where development of several key projects is contingent upon ONE person is frankly ridiculous. What happens (god forbid) if Jeff goes down with an infection, gets into a serious accident or joins another company? Where are the contingency measures? Will those projects have to be thrown out because Jeff is no longer there to work on them?

It's great that you guys know your applications inside out, it really is. That being said, if you're the experts and the only people who can work on them then let others work on other stuff. Have just one baby and dedicate all your time to it, bring it up properly and always look after it. It's not rocket science.

You chose to make an assumption that my forum account is the same account that I used to make my purchase of OD+. That is not the case, so please don't jump to conclusions and accuse me of not being a customer without providing proof. Yes, if you want to go down that route, you have to prove I'm not a customer, not the other way around.

I do want to listen, but nobody from Stardock that deals with OD has come forward to engage in a discussion. This is probaly due to holidays, so we'll see once the staff return on Monday. The answers that have been given beg more questions than they answer.

I didn't say you are not a customer. I'm saying you have created a second profile stating you're "incognito" for the sole purpose of complaining. The action of creating a second profile just to stir up crap is trolling and causes you to loose all credibility.