I snoop

I have an almost-14-year old daughter who has discovered the joys of blogging and the internet. 

As a parent, I feel it's my responsibility to somehow manage to prepare my children for the uneven playing field that is life but at the same time not blow their innocence away too soon.  It's hard, especially when you have a child who thinks they're worldy and society-savvy and wants to stake their claim for a little independence.  I want my daughter to know that I trust her, but to also know that I'm her parent and will step in if I think she's out of her depth.

The trick, of course, is not to LET her get out of her depth.  I don't want to come in and fix things; I don't want there to be anything to fix.  There are precautions that we take: 

She has to ask for permission to use the computer.  It's password protected, and she doesn't have the password.  She has to ask her father or I to unlock it.

The desktop computer is in the living room, and none of the kids are allowed to be on the computer when there's no adult in the room.  There's always an adult in the room whenever she or her brothers are online.

We don't have any messenger programs on the desktop, and we don't allow participation in chat rooms under any circumstances.

We have the user ID's and passwords to ALL email and ID-protected sites. 

 

Those are all good precautions, right?  I think so.  But I also think that they're not enough.  There are a million things that she could be looking at or writing about without my knowledge.  Things that, despite my wanting to give her a sense of privacy and respect, I need to know about.

So I snoop.

She knows that I snoop occasionally.  She knows that I am able to see exactly what she looked at and how long she looked at it for.  She knows that I am able to uncover what she wrote and see who responded.  She knows that I'm looking and monitoring, and whilst I think she might be slightly frustrated at my snooping she knows that I'm doing it for her protection.

She knows, because I've told her.  When I found an article that she wrote on her blog about how she was upset at her grandfather's death and how she felt unhappy enough to wonder how she could get rid of the emotional pain she was experiencing, I sat down with her in her room and talked to her about it.  She asked me to leave and then cried herself to sleep, but the next day she was able to tell me why she had written in and discuss how we could deal with her pain. 

When we found that she'd been visiting some pretty dark vampire/goth sites we again asked her what she was doing there and why.  She'd only been there briefly, but the content of those sites was disturbing enough to us that we felt the need to ask her about them.

She still visits some places that are not exactly my cup of tea.  She has her style and is developing a pretty strong sense of self.  She also has a well-defined sense of right and wrong, so I'm not terribly worried about what she does online.

I don't want to have a net-nanny.  I don't want to micro-manage the content of my kid's lives.  I don't want them to feel like I'm always in their business....but I want them to know that I'm still their parent and I WILL do whatever it takes to protect them from things I don't believe they're ready to see.

I snoop, and I'm not ashamed of it.

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I dont blame you.  I snoop too, but mine is more on demand as I have a program that I can check what my sons are doing or have been doing.  I rarely do, because I know where they are going and it got boring!

But I still spot check.  And yep, still boring.  Those game and music sites are just not my cup of tea.

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rarely do, because I know where they are going and it got boring!

Exactly.  I do it occasionally just to see what's up...and if I see anything I think warrants more attention, I snoop more often.

And yep, still boring. Those game and music sites are just not my cup of tea.

Mine either.  I don't mind GreenDay, MCR and AFI, but there are some bands that are just too...intense for me.

Not my cup of tea at all.

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Not my cup of tea at all.

I think that makes us Grups!

Reply #4 Top
dharmagrl...theres nothing at all wrong with "snooping" as you say...its part of being a good parent...but you also have to allow kids to explore life...the good and the bad...its how people learn...so you just have to be careful not to stifle that learning process or they're desire to express they're feelings. And as soon as someone connects to the internet your exposed to the extremes when it comes to the good and bad the world has to offer. I like to think I am a pretty aware & knowledgeable person that isn't to shocked by things in life, but when I connected to the internet...man...did I ever get a reality check!

So what your doing isn't something you should be ashamed of in the least and should be applauded for your efforts.   
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but you also have to allow kids to explore life...the good and the bad...its how people learn...so you just have to be careful not to stifle that learning process or they're desire to express they're feelings.

Exactly.  Like I said, I'm trying to prepare them for the uneven playing field that is life, but at the same time try to retain as much of their childish innocence as possible.  It's a difficult thing to do.

 

Reply #6 Top
I snoop, and frankly parents who don't snoop make me wonder if they even truly care.
Reply #7 Top
sounds like good parenting to me, not snooping.
Reply #8 Top
We have a "Right to privacy, no right to secrecy" rule. It's worked well for us. Your rules are very similar to mine. We've had to add a few because the kids are very technical: history better not ever be empty nor cookies and internet temp files.
Reply #9 Top
I don't snoop.......my son's (13)computer does not have access to the internet. He has to use mine or my wifes and both are password protected. One of us has to let him on and is in the room with him at all times. We don't stand over his shoulder unless he asks for help. I used to get a lot of flack from him because his friends parents let them have access on their bedroom systems. In May I showed his best friends father how to check the history and look in the cache to see whats his son's been doing. Now I'm the bad guy because his Dad won't give him access at all. Seems he was visiting quite a few adult sites.

My house is not a Democracy....and he has no rights that I'm not willing to give him.
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My house is not a Democracy....and he has no rights that I'm not willing to give him.


Most houses are not. I allow it, because I can monitor it. And he can do what he wants, within the bounds I have set. He knows it, and does not violate it.
Reply #12 Top
My advice as a grand mother of a 13 year old. Snoop away.
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well-defined sense of right and wrong,

dharmagirl, sounds like she's twice-blessed to have the parents she does.
Oh, boy! My son's 9 (!) next month, and my daughter's 11 (!!) end of Sept.
At times I wonder when they'll need to be "snooped". Feels like all of the fireworks are about to start poppin', so I'm making sure I enjoy the hell out of these precious months as they approach teenhood. Oh. My. Gawd. I won't ever be ready for that, so am just gonna have to ride the wave when it comes...[thinks about growing up a surf-rat delinquent L.A. beachbum kid, highschool class of '60..]    
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I snoop, and frankly parents who don't snoop make me wonder if they even truly care

As do I.  Shea has a friend who's mother lets her do what she wants, when she wants - this is the girl who persuaded SHea it would be ok to go to the mall without telling me.  They were supposed to be sleeping over at this girl's house, not going off base, and certainly not going to the mall in urban St Louis alone, unsupervised/attended on a Friday night.  Shea ended up with a grounding and mononucleosis out of that little escapade.  Anyway, this girl tells her mother to STFU and to go to hell, and the mom just takes it and gives the girl no consequences for her actions.  I cannot understand parenting like that.  I just can't.

 


Reply By: ModeratemanPosted: Friday, August 25, 2006
sounds like good parenting to me

Thank you, Elie.  I try, you know?  

 

We've had to add a few because the kids are very technical: history better not ever be empty nor cookies and internet temp files.

Yep, that's one of our rules too.  No deleting the history or cookies.  If that ever happens, they know that they can expect to be grounded from using the computer indefinitely.

my son's (13)computer does not have access to the internet. He has to use mine or my wifes and both are password protected. One of us has to let him on and is in the room with him at all times

2 of ours have old desktops that we've had spare when we upgraded, and they've asked for internet access on them pretty regularly.  The answer is always (and will continue to be) "No".  It's just not a good idea.....

 

keep at it.

I'm trying!

 

he can do what he wants, within the bounds I have set. He knows it, and does not violate it.

Exactly. 

My advice as a grand mother of a 13 year old. Snoop away

It makes me feel good to hear that!

 

Feels like all of the fireworks are about to start poppin'

We also have an almost-12-year-old and a 10 year old...and let me tell you, the adage about girls being harder than boys just isn't true.  Our son...well, he's already difficult, and he's not even a teenager yet!

 

I wouldn't worry too much about the goth/vampire thing

I normally don't.  However, some of the sites she was visiting were about cutting and blood letting, and I just don't think that she needs to be going there yet.  She's mature, yes, but she's not ready for that yet.  

 

the Pastor's teenaged daughter got into that scene, and pretty deeply, even showing up for church in full regalia, floor length leather dusters covered with straps and buckles, heavy black eyeliner, dog collars, frankenstein boots and all.

That's Shea.  Right down to the eyemakeup.

 

didnt you buy a pair of *very* gothy bondage boots not long ago?

Yep, and Shea wears them on a daily basis.

Reply #15 Top
Hmm...I don't know, I'd probably be looking over my kid's shoulder while they were surfing the internet. I've been on here for awhile and I've seen things that make the baby Jesus cry...horrible, horrible, horrible things. Not to mention all the sick people out there...

Actually, I'd probably be worse than any of this.... I'm a little overprotective, I guess...and I don't even have kids yet.

~Zoo
Reply #16 Top
I snoop, and I'm not ashamed of it.


I really dont think you will find one parent of a child that age to disagree with you. Too bad every parent didn't protect their children like this. I'm an adult - I'm careful - but I have seen kids this age give out their real names and phone numbers without batting an eye. Its a dangerous practice...but they are naive to that - they dont realise that the Net can be a wonderful place but a place that requires a lot of adult sense. You do whatever it takes ...when she's 15 you might be in for a battle - but its not one you can let her win.
Reply #17 Top
history better not ever be empty nor cookies and internet temp files.


Thats how I followed my boys around - I wasnt even very computer savvy back then - they were smarter - but not smart enough to delete cookies ( boys - but Mom I was just looking at a car site - I dont know how I got to that X rated place )

Uh huh ...

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( boys - but Mom I was just looking at a car site - I dont know how I got to that X rated place )


So far, I have not gotten that one! But as long as the site only has one click. A fellow tech told me to go to this tech site (the name looked legit) about the 'Newest' OS (Win2k back then). He mispelled it, and all of a sudden I was on a porn site with windows popping open all over the place! I could not close it fast enough!

We all got a laugh out of that one.  
Reply #19 Top
My only child is 7 and isn't that interested in the web.
I have to snoop on my neighbors.
Reply #20 Top
He mispelled it, and all of a sudden I was on a porn site with windows popping open all over the place! I could not close it fast enough!


Back 5 years ago it was easy for these sites to hijack you ..I know it happened to me quite often. I use to panic cos some of them made your task bar disappear and I'd be confused as to how to get out of there ( I usully hit the shut down button ) But with all the pop up controlers now - its not as big a problem.
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Given what I found my 16 yo stepdaughter was constantly into, totally inappropriate content and chat, she would totally be banned from the net if she were here. I will not tolerate a kid going behind my back to do what she knows full well I'd disapprove of, so if and when she ever decides to return, the internet will be totally off limits until she can prove to be trustworthy.

So yes, by all means snoop....better to nip undesirable behaviour in the bud before it get out of hand....and if all is above board and innocent, at least you have peace of mind in that knowledge. Sadly, I didn't snoop enough when required and now we're suffering the consequences

It's one thing to give your children a certain amount of privacy, but another to ignore that they may read an activities pamphlet on your coffee table that contains a map and free voucher to a local bordello. In other words, be vigilant to all that's harmful and remove it from reach when temptation becomes too strong.
Reply #22 Top
But with all the pop up controlers now - its not as big a problem.


And why they are standard installs on my computers as well!
Reply #23 Top
Shea has a friend who's mother lets her do what she wants, when she wants - this is the girl who persuaded SHea it would be ok to go to the mall without telling me. They were supposed to be sleeping over at this girl's house, not going off base, and certainly not going to the mall in urban St Louis alone, unsupervised/attended on a Friday night. Shea ended up with a grounding and mononucleosis out of that little escapade. Anyway, this girl tells her mother to STFU and to go to hell, and the mom just takes it and gives the girl no consequences for her actions. I cannot understand parenting like that. I just can't.


You have almost exactly the same situation I do. My son has a friend whose parents are the exact same way.

It's so friggin hard because this is my son's BEST friend. They want to be together all the time. I have that kid here a lot despite his smell, despite his parents, because at least here I can WATCH them. heh.

I talk to my son all the time about where this kid is headed...trouble. How kids who raise themselves typically have boundary issues and get involved in all kinds of things. He understands, but sometimes all he sees is what this kid can do that he can not do.

Last night the kid stayed here. I told them lights out and in bed at midnight. This morning my son told me they didn't go to bed until 2...so now he's grounded. And his friend walks away unscathed.

Frustrating.
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Last night the kid stayed here. I told them lights out and in bed at midnight. This morning my son told me they didn't go to bed until 2...so now he's grounded. And his friend walks away unscathed.


That's where you impose the penalty on your son's friend as well....don't just ground your son, make his friend unwelcome until he learns his lesson, obeys your rules and sincerely apologises for delibertately ignoring your wishes. They may not like the explanation, but it's your house, your right and responsibility to make the rules...and if they don't like it, tough titties.
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It's so friggin hard because this is my son's BEST friend.


I had this problem several years ago. I stopped all contact possible. It was hard at first. The other boy had become such a bad influence I had Richard's class changed to keep them apart at school and I would go and sit at the skating rink/movie theater to make sure they were kept seperate then. There were times Richard was "penalized" because there was a group thing going that I knew the other boy would be at, but sometimes life's not fair (they need to learn that too). 2 years later the other boy was held back, due to being expelled, so that fixed the school problem and as time went on my son came to think of him as a "jerk" too.

He's made other friends and they, at least, have the good sense not to misbehave at my house. If he gets in any trouble with one of them there's always a call to their parents and discussion of "mutual punishment". If I'm not satisfied that they will be addressing the problem on their end while I address it on mine then there will be a ban on the child at my house. Since this seems to be the place they all come to play (I have built a BMX course in the back yard), I haven't had to do this but once and that boy and his brother came to my wife and apologized within a week.

I hope I don't sound like a hard ass cause I'm not. I prefer to remark and/or reward good behavior. I make sure that the rules are clear and try to anticipate any "loop holes". I always address things when they happen instead of putting them off even if it's inconvenient. I try to set the example and require no more than I can do myself. I'm 43 and I still say Yes Sir/Mam & No Sir/Mam to other adults out of respect and so does my son.