So he want to destroy us or put into slavery? I'm pre-ordering my cancel!

Yeah, they are.  But, it's ok to leave them that way.  It lets me play more of an anti-hero since I prefer being "evil" but not stupid bond-villian evil.  I'm a pragmatist.  Creatures like the Drengin are insulting, and I enjoy wiping them out.  They remind me of a certain political party here on Earth, but I won't name it, for obvious reasons.

I was going to say something, then I remembered logic isn't welcome in the forums.

In any case, they work for the game, that's good enough.  Such a space-faring civilization cannot exist in reality, period.

Why is that "such a space-faring civilization cannot exist in reality, period"?  The Universe is a big place.

This sort of statement was part of the basis for Niven's Man-Kzin wars. The assumption ended poorly, as the name might imply.

Ok...last post for me.  Because I can't handle this kind of thing anymore.

So...let me see if I've got this right.  You all seem to think that the natural laws of the universe are somehow different, not clear on the other side of the universe where there's at least an incalculably small chance it could be true, but right here in our own galaxy, where the idea is so absurd that it would inherently end the concept of an internally coherent galaxy such as we live in.

And if not that, the supposed justification of creatures that behave as the Drengin actually being able to exist as they are against the weight of nearly all currently understood evolutionary principle, and historical precedent...is a work of fiction?  Of course they work in the game, and of course similar creatures work in whatever fictional media they exist in...it's FICTION, and it works however the author wants it to work whether it makes sense in reality or not.  Oh, who am I kidding.  Clearly, something like the Force is totally likely to be real, since it was in Star Wars, it must be possible, right?

I'm out, I'm done.  My face can't take any more palming.

Enjoy the rest of the show, folks. 

Personally, I don't think the Drengin are very realistic; they have more in common with orcs than what I'd consider what aliens would most likely be. But it's just beyond ridiculous to make confident assertions as to what aliens must be like when we have absolutely nothing to base that on. (And as for evolutionary psychology, everything we know about it comes from Earth life. There are a few things likely to be universal constants - we'll never see a species that simply does not reproduce, for obvious reasons - but they're very general).

It would be amazing if your leader began the game as a young upstart and then aged as the time went by. It would even be cool to see the leaders die and pass on the empire to their children or something, similar to dynasties in the Total War games.

Re the drengin, you'll have to do some more face palming then when you re-read our own bloody history right here on earth, (I don't mean this as a swear word, I mean bloody, violent and very dark in places)

Some very strange concepts of sacrifice to some imaginary beings and cannibalism existed in some very dark times, heck the former still goes on today in the minds of those fighting certain wars. Wars were considered natural and quite justified, even encouraged ways of living in certain societies, especially when someone didn't share your pantheon of gods, ethnicity or had some nice food or women they could take, or just ways to legitimize your own rule to expand your borders (when borders became a more tangible concept).

Now if you think this small spec of a planet amongst countless billions is likely to embody every concept that has ever existed in creation, you are quite frankly talking about concepts you couldn’t possibly know or establish thusly it is a wasted debate.

I don't feel the drengin are violent enough to feel like a feudal kingdom of another religion in the dark ages for example, they could well be constantly raiding your borders any chance they'd get, not giving you a nice formal treaty or trading with you, you'd not be a lower class of person, you'd be a resource. (You'd not even be that to many of them, you'd just be something in the way of the resources)

One of the first races I'll mod in will be a pure evil race, evil being 100% self centered, blind to everything that doesn't benefit them, and enjoying that aspect of their being where the war is always coming you can be sure of it. Along with a race that is the polar opposite to that type of being, so benign and giving you'll actually want them on your borders, giving you gifts just because they can, (If we get decent control of their AI or relation modifiers anyway in regards to modding.)

the Drengin are very open minded when it comes to food. So there is that.

What I have taken from this thread is that clearly we need a Warhammer 40K mod complete with ships from Battlefleet Gothic. Massive karma if someone does this.

Since when have they been clear on our side?

Get rid of your self-fooling illusions. There are no "currently understood" principles only "currently believed in". Even more so when we're talking about something as "shady" as "evolution" and history.

Well, since we're comparing reality with fiction anyway... Go watch matrix. Then prove to me that you are NOT inside it and that the laws you claim to "understand" aren't being bended while you aren't noticing.

I generally don't advise seeking wisdom in fiction, but that one serves as a great example of the foolishness of the concept of "knowledge".

There's no actual "knowledge" (unless you redefine the word to the point where the term becomes something completely different), only assumptions aka beliefs.

The main difference between a scientist and a believer is that one of them doesn't lie to himself about the foundation of his assumptions.

Once you realise that, the fiction is no longer something that "couldn't happen" it's just something that didn't happen, same as anything else except for the few thing that SUPPOSEDLY did happen.

*sigh* ... But then again I probably shouldn't raise this kind of topics on a forum. Especially with someone who claims to have stopped reading.