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Frogboy

Join Date 03/2001

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Countdown: 8 days to release

The morphable world

One of the changes we've made for the final public build is that we've greatly reduced the costs or raising and lowering land.

Now, you can't use these spells to create mountains or make islands. That's not their purpose. What they can do, however is create shorter routes through mountain regions (lower land) and connect players to other parts of the world that aren't normally accessible (raise land).

This will become a particularly big deal after release when we start releasing map packs to supplement the random maps. In these map packs, the players (AI and human) will be able to explore larger areas if they make use of these spells (i.e. goodies and special quests hidden behind mountains OR by island hopping).

Here's a video that shows this off:

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Quoting wbino,

reply 44

Coming from a comlpete outsider to the game, mods are fine, but changing the base game to your will , to point of a custom game-

-IMHO really diminishes the shared game experience.

Me ignoring the problem at hand, this statement in itself is pretty much spot on
I try not to suggest ludicrous things that might only make the game more enjoyable for me for the same reason, I wait until I can poke around in the awesome modding tools to play around with silly hp/armor/damage calculations

Sincerely
~ Kongdej

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Frogboy

Join Date 03/2001

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The thing is, I don't think the mana cost is the problem. It's how quickly the spell is available.

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parrottmath

Join Date 03/2008

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Quoting Frogboy,

reply 52

The thing is, I don't think the mana cost is the problem. It's how quickly the spell is available.

It's probably a little of both. Given mana costs for other spells and what they do, it loses sight on spell power vs. mana. the same complaint that I also see from the thread I started (just so people could vent their frustrations or come up with good arguments as to why) that it is a point of immersion being lost and gaming of the system being done. I for one think that 5 mana loses a bit of that immesion, but I feel that 50 mana is too expensive for practical use in the game.

At 5 mana the spell is extremely useful and easily cast and for your purposes in the game is appropriate. I suggested 10 mana because I didn't want the spell to seem weak for it's purpose, but I didn't want to make it impractical to be used. I am fine with 5 mana if the AI can use the spell effectively. For example the isolationist AI should use raise land around his place to make it hilly or muddy to slow enemy troop movement.

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Quoting Frogboy,

reply 52

The thing is, I don't think the mana cost is the problem. It's how quickly the spell is available.

I was in a game last night where my starting location was on the western edge of the map with a 25 tile long mountainous region (12-13 tiles north or south either way) on the east. That's a long way to walk around with your first pioneer or hero to scout out. If I'd had lower terrain, I could have cut myself a path pretty quickly to a nice fertile land once I'd made that first pioneer.

But sadly I had no Earth magic, so Ctrl + N it was. The point being is if I had early access to lower terrain, I'd have had a nice game there - everything was sweet on the other side.

So it's not early access that's the problem.

The problem, as I see it, is that mountains can't be crossed because there are no flying units and you don't have boats (or swimming units) yet the game insists on using lakes and mountains as internal terrain. Either you accept that you will continue to have this geography, and make lower terrain and raise terrain as accessible as it it now or you re-write the mapping code to not use mountains and internal bodies of water.

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So Brad, I'll just ask again: Is the AI capable of using these spells to terraform the land to its advantage?

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Quoting dangerlinto,

reply 55

Are you seriously asking for a game with no physical barriers, or at most only trivial ones, easily overcome from turn one? That sounds like fun...

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Quoting Satrhan,

reply 57

Quoting dangerlinto,
reply 55

The problem, as I see it, is that mountains can't be crossed because there are no flying units and you don't have boats (or swimming units) yet the game insists on using lakes and mountains as internal terrain. Either you accept that you will continue to have this geography, and make lower terrain and raise terrain as accessible as it it now or you re-write the mapping code to not use mountains and internal bodies of water.

Are you seriously asking for a game with no physical barriers, or at most only trivial ones, easily overcome from turn one? That sounds like fun...

0.991 'fixed' Raise Land so that it can no longer be cast on hills.

To confirm, there are spells that allow you to create mountains and create seas, correct???

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StevenAus22

Join Date 06/2010

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No, I think those spells were removed.

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Quoting dangerlinto,

reply 55

Quoting Frogboy,
reply 52
The thing is, I don't think the mana cost is the problem. It's how quickly the spell is available.

I was in a game last night where my starting location was on the western edge of the map with a 25 tile long mountainous region (12-13 tiles north or south either way) on the east. That's a long way to walk around with your first pioneer or hero to scout out. If I'd had lower terrain, I could have cut myself a path pretty quickly to a nice fertile land once I'd made that first pioneer.

But sadly I had no Earth magic, so Ctrl + N it was. The point being is if I had early access to lower terrain, I'd have had a nice game there - everything was sweet on the other side.

So it's not early access that's the problem.

The problem, as I see it, is that mountains can't be crossed because there are no flying units and you don't have boats (or swimming units) yet the game insists on using lakes and mountains as internal terrain. Either you accept that you will continue to have this geography, and make lower terrain and raise terrain as accessible as it it now or you re-write the mapping code to not use mountains and internal bodies of water.

I love those kind of starts. You have a great defensive position there and missed a fun and different game. If it was possible for an enemy to tear down the mountains in 1 turn and with very little use of mana I would hate it big time......

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the raise and lower land are now earth 3 spells, and looking through the hiergamenon there is NO sink land/raise mountain spells.

harpo

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