Waste of jet fuel, just light them on fire in the streets of DC, the ones that don't burn we can hang as witches.

In all actuality, I wasn't presenting an Ad Hominem fallacy.

My opposition, however was, which you seem to be conveniently ignoring.

Sinperium - Great post!  As a simple answer to most of the concerns you mentioned ... the USG Department of No-Education comes to mind. It would seem that there are more important things than giving our children a practical education, go figure. I would be happy if they would teach R-R-R's and common sense ... and left the social programming of the children to the parents. I do not think many adults today are going to become un-brainwashed from anything the USG would do … after all they supply the impetus for this quandary … because it is in their best interests.
 
Just think of what we could really do if the neo-politicians stopped pretending to oppose each other on non-political issues like...

• GW, 
  Abortions,
• Religion,
• The constitution, 
  War,
• Peace (???),
• Human rights,
• Civil rights,
• God given rights,
• Sexual divergences, 
  Green whatever,
• Racism,
• Immigration reform,
• Border control,
• Energy restrictions,
• Developing our own resources, etc.

My goodness, no more fighting … peace … we could mostly work together… But then the USG wouldn’t be able to play good cop-bad cop over and over again … to sway the neo-sheeple to their will. People are going to remain malleable to the dictates of their government as long as they allow their leaders to politicize every aspect of their life. Politics bespeaks of strife and struggle, criminality, lies and deceit, fabrications and a complete lack of transparency … Nope, don’t need this nonsense in control of any aspect of my life … to each his own I guess.

The entire "documentary" has no merit, and all of the facts it did use were taken so far out of context, combined with Michael Moore's presentation style, make the "documentary" little more than a fallacy. The "documentary" cannot refute anything, because it doesn't possess any factual information whatsoever.

I mean exactly what I said.  And no, I am not in any "bad" way.  I simply know the limits of human comprehension.

Remember 500 years ago how the world was flat, and everyone "knew" it was? But I digress....

Ok, lets look at this list then, and see what I see here.

1 - stands for what?

2 - morality, what does one stand for?  If you can't defend the innocent and unborn you have no business procreating.

3 - not going there....

4 - If you can not live under a countries founding documents, then you should leave that country for one that you agree with.

5,6 - war and peace are simple conflict resolutions

7 - what rights do you want to have?  what rights will you give up?  and who decides?  Do you really want to go there?

8 - same as above

9 - still same as above

10 - the problem is in the definition.... going against the natural order of things is obviously a problem.

11 - slime?  I suppose it is good to be responsible with what we have, isn't it?

12 - I have none, just experience.

13 - A country without any law will degrade into lawlessness

14 - same as above

15 - politics should not influence the free market, period.

16 - same as above

I don't see how protecting a nations people is non-political.  I don't see how having law to protect the people i non-political. I don't see how providing a free market for productivity to thrive is non-political.

And I don't see how you can be taken seriously when you make these obviously flawed statements.

"Prejudices are what fools use for reason."  - Voltaire

SivCorp – What I tried to point out was that these items are politically unsolvable as our current madness so amply demonstrates. These are issues that affect all our people not any half or part of them. If you want to fight GW, then you fight GW not each other. You believes in abortion (selfish, uneducated, lacking moral fortitude) or you don’t but it will not be solved in the political arena. None of this was intended to be argumentative …? I do not understand why you are reading so much into this? You either believe in the Constitution or you don’t … how can this possibly be politicized and argued about? Leave the country … how about enforcing the USG bible … what arguments?

It appears as though we are communicating ... but I do not think that is the case because we aren't even talking about the same things, go figure.

Mystikmind - Most understood little initially after 9/11 … only what the USG said. Don’t you remember all the neocons repeatedly stating that there can be no doubt that Saddam has WMD’s and that they had unimpeachable PROOF? Doesn’t sound like a guess or supposition to me? Take WMD’s out of the equation for the rush to war … and there wouldn’t have been a war. It all stems from the events of 9/11 and there is only one question. Do you believe in the veracity of the USG and therefor believe what you are told … or do you have questions and seek better answers? Well, I am in the latter class and just because I want a semi-believable explanation (I bring my proof and all) and the USG starts telling it ... Sort of like a birth certificate. If you do not want controversy simply show the proof … end of story. It has been 10 years now and still no truth is forthcoming. In all honesty … you actually believe the USG is doing all the hard work and all the dying and that we are saving the world from itself???  That is a valid definition of stupidity in my book, sorry.

myfist0 - It is typical that those demanding facts and figures and proof are really only interested in their own. But I have not seen their facts and figures because they are sparse at best. If these people are so mentally isolated they cannot even sit back and re-evaluate things they believe to be true considering the evidence available … well they are not here for clarification, go figure.

The technical term for this statement is "blasphemy". The technical term for someone who makes this statement is "blasphemer".

That is all.

It points out a lot of stuff that should be checked for yourself. This things are made to make money and will always sensationalize there point of view like Moore. I never swallow anything hook, line and sinker like most do from any side. Both sides can present me the facts and I will make my own choice that I try not to push on others.

Never meant to put down any religion with that past comment, just wanted to make a point that may have been a little rash.

Except for the problem that the Bible isn't "non-truths" or lies.

It is THE truth.

Whiskey144 – The Bible - the sacred book of the Christian (whatever) religion. I and several billion people around the world think differently about you’re ‘the truth’ is all?

Well i was actually trying to make the point that proof of WMD's in Iraq was irrelevant. And your last remark (That is a valid definition of stupidity in my book, sorry) indicates you did not understand what i was trying to say.

With regard to the USG doing all the hard work and all the dying, this is in the perspective of the decisions of the global community as a whole in dealing with problems around the world. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the global community chose to go to war to fix the problem and it was the global community that chose to leave him in power. Now here is the heart of my argument - We don't know what consequences that choice may have eventually produced, good or bad. America, by acting unilaterally allows the global community to escape the consequences of it's decisions..... see what I'm getting at now? So the global community gets to sit back and enjoy not facing any consequences of it's descisions meanwhile criticizing America while... "America scuffling around under their feet doing all the hard work, all the dying". all this is towards the point of why America should not have invaded Iraq the second time "The international community chose to leave Saddam in power after war number 1 therefore if Saddam was to eventually use weapons of mass destruction the US could sit back and laugh and say, "well that just proves we were right and you lot are all stupid"".