That's lousy.  Sorry that's the type of people you end up playing with.  I hope you have better experiences going forward. 

I don't mind the premades so much, but I would like to see their ladder ranking in the game lobby...

Jesus.

This thread continues to piss me off. People like "Inflames" continue to push the issue into a negative community concept.

I have my eye on a few other up coming games at the moment so personaly, if this game lives or dies, I wont be to heartbroken. That being said. I do really like this game, and hope its community thrives.

First I'll break down the comment from "Inflames".

[me shaking my head] First, since you seemed to have missed it somewhere along the line. This is about solo players randomly grouping together against premades. If they took the 30 seconds or so to get together, they would no longer be a premade. In that case it would be premade against premade. This isnt even what this thread is about. I'm not going to explain any further, if you don't follow, I suggest you continue to strive for good grades in school, and someday we can revisit this.

The fact is this game will always have solo players, who do not take the 30 seconds to band together and become "premades". The fact is, this game will not survive with a healthy community without those solo players. Many people start out in this game "solo".

Those players MAY eventually become team players. Without solo players becoming "premade" players this will all stagnate.

Thats the key people, so I hope it sank in. Someone near the start of this thread said something like:

my time [more important]> than random people whining about not having friends.

TRANSLATION: I'm important, and I don't give a sh*t about the community of this game.

Fair enough, you're a faceless, anonymous person on the internet, and its within your rights to think your "anonymous" persona has some greater value than the rest of our "anonymous" personas. While I personaly think you need a morality check, you retain every right to your point of view.

However, again. I believe, you are not supporting the growth of this games community by holding such values.

So how do we fix this? How do we try to build a community with not only a positive growth rate, but a positive mentality?

1. We listen to each other. Yeah, I know, this is Sesame Street stuff, but it all to often goes out the door on the internet. Just remember, both the solo (random join) player base and the premade player base is needed to keep this game alive.

Someone else on this forum said games with "premade" in the title it takes to long to fill up. Well maybe if we encourage the "solo" community more, it will grow and as it grows so will the premade communty. End result, quicker premade match ups. More quality team vs team combat.

2. We keep talking to the developers. And hopefully they will hear us, and eventually put in the features that will allow all of us (premades and soloists) to get exactly the type of game we desire.

This game will continue to live or die by ALL OF US, our challange is to unit, and use that power to further Demigod.

A. We do when we can.

B. Because we like playing and working with, not against, each other.

I find it funny premades feel the need to hide the fact they are making a premade game cause it takes too long to fight (meaning there aren't enouth premade teams looking for games) when, on the other hand, PUGs complain of always falling in a ninja premade game which seems to suggest there are a lot of them.

Maybe premade teams should spend more time looking for premade games before creating a new one. Oh, of course the problem is simple! Since they do not flag their game as "premade", then it means a new team looking for a game cannot find them easily.

Defeats the point, I refuse to play with randoms in any game 99% of the time.

It's a bit redundant.  As we've shown, premades don't join games, they make them, so you're safe if you as a non-premade make a game.

And some of you would have to lose.

Because we derive greater satisfaction working with each other instead of against. The game rewards good teamwork, we've simply taken it to the next level.

If my goal was merely "getting a challenge" I would go outside and attempt to deadlift my car.

Step one : flag all your premade games in the title.

Step two : search for a (now tagged) premade game of the correct size before creating one yourself

That or wait for an "arranged team" automatch which would do the exact same thing anyway.

Actually that sounds like a great idea.  Make games with "Premade only" in the title to lure in premades, then host disconnect loss them to ruin their precious records.

Genius I say!

Playing with randoms is awful, once you play in a premade you never want to go back, having people do stupid shit, take stupid builds, and generally screw you over through incompetence isn't even remotely fun. That your opponents are terrible as well doesn't make the game more fun for you, it just makes it a close contest of retardation.

Find me a team of randoms that will play Sed/UB/LE and do chainstunning on a target and focus fire them consistently. For me this is what playing premade is about, 3v3 random games I don't die very often because playing Sedna is easymode from that point of view. 3v3 premade I get ganked properly and actually have to pay attention because with a coordinated strike you can easily be left completely helpless and relying on your teammates to save you. This is interesting, challenging, and fun. If I try this behavior in a pug, I'll die because my teammates won't know what's going on, or my attack will be useless for the same reason.

Premades kill each other by outsmarting each other and drawing targets into positions that seem safe but are actually vulnerable (eg holding back on pounce for the first 5 minutes of the game to convince your opponents you don't have it) and this sort of shit is why I enjoy playing strategy games. You actually have to think to win a premade game, all you need to win most pugs is choosing the right avatar and clicking a lot.

I play both premade and pug.  When playing premade, it is very tedious to get everyone into a premade game hosted by someone else.  I can tell everyone over vent to join such and such a game, but inevitably, the game fills up before we all get in.  At that point I can see if the host is responsive to kicking the extra player, or just return to hosting my own games.

The game really needs automatching (i.e., Pantheon) for premades.  Of course Pantheon doesn't match up players based on skill (seems like a tertiary consideration), so that does not really fix anything.  And unfortunately, I predict most premades will not use this because they enjoy the pub stomp too much.  Or to put it another way, they don't want the threat of losing.  Another alternative is a lobby for premades, but there are down sides to that too.