Both repulsion and illums have alraedy been nerfed.  They dont need yet more nerfing.  Subverters do pretty good breaking up a battleball.  It should also be mentioned that assailants outrange illuminators by a decent margin and should be able to kill them even with push.  Plus they have a decent chance of skipping shields with their phase missles to hit advent's already thin hulls.  It is annoying to get pushed around yes but also annoying to have a couple of subverters neutralize your entire fleet except for strikecraft and caps.  If you are gonna nerf guardians you might as well nerf subverters too and make them more in line with the near useless domina(single target, channelled disable).  Nerf nano too so my caps dont tear like tissue paper against assailants and strike craft.  Also nerf marza cause such easily widespread destruction is too powerful for one ship and the hoshis too since they keep it alive for much to long and easily.  Nerf everything thats made me lose in the past!!!  That way I don't have to think too hard to win.   Ohhhh but wait.....that wouldn't be any fun.

Every race has their overpowered spots and weak spots that can be exploited.  It can be annoying for someone to beat you black and blue with what seems like relative ease.  Some things do occasionally need a tweak here and there.  Illums and iconus already had their beat down and don't need it again.  They are beatable.  I should know since its happened many times to me.   Its not impossible to beat subverters, repulse or marzas.  Its just damned annoying at times.

[_]-Greyfox

True true ture,

Tec doesn't have subverters at all think about what they should think.  It's counterable with like 250 lrm's... 

Serious now, it does need a nerf. The basic thing bout illums is also that they can just keep running through your fleet and you can keep turning and turning and turning... But grey has a point too every race has it's overpowered things.

Grtz,
Flipkik 

SC won't touch a descent battleball. You'll need lrms or something else that takes it appart. In the hands of a skilled it will even slaughter skilled players that know the counter.

For the vasari guys... Vasari starbases are imuune to repulsion I think.

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik 

"People" don't keep going to it every game.  I couldn't tell you the last game I spammed only 1 unit.  This post isn't about spam anyways.  It is about Tyr thinking illums and guardians together in a battle ball with other stuff is overpowered.  If there were no carriers or flak in with the battleball then carriers could end it easily.  

[_]-Greyfox 

This is taken from the unit reference charts on the strategy page.

Illum range - 5520           Javelis range - 9800       Assailant range - 7820

Iconus push range - 7500

As you can see, assailants and javelis outrange what the iconus can push.  Illums have to be a little farther out to hit anything but even at maximum range for the push other race's LRF can still hit stuff.  Push works best against HC and caps.  Even pushing away maximally marza missle barrage can still hit and have lots of room left over at 10k range. 

[_]-Greyfox

Guardians are harder to kill because they are meant to be damage sponges per their main ability.  Considering they have a thin hull underneath the huge amount of shields, kanrak and strike craft from vasari make short work of them as I repeat.....they outrange the push.  TEC have a little more trouble admittedly but javelis outranges everything and easily outranges the push.  TEC hate it because they dont get to use their tough kodiaks and hoshis which are the center of their fleet.  Marza easily outranges push.  Tyr's OP states that nerfs are unfixing the game but suggests his own nerf in the process which to me sounds somewhat hypocritical.  There are already solutions to a battle ball just as there are for lots of things in this game.  A battle ball is a helluva lot harder to get together and make work than a Marza.  It's harder to get working than an egg, kanrak spam, with a few flak or carriers thrown in.  Vasari SB totally ignores the push and starbases in general can counteract it one way or another.  There is no need for a nerf.

[_]-Greyfox

Flak are fine against SC, so carriers are not quite obsolete. The build penalty should be smaller though.

I do think that Subverters need a significant boost. Distortion Field has should cost 125 AM, have 8000 range and last 25 secs.The last nerf was insanely big. Vasari currently get no powerful support cruisers.

Overseers are fine imo, except for their upgradeable abilities are horrible. Why spend so much money on Mobile Pase Detection when a teir 1 upgrade does the same thing AND is better? The Overseer's upgradeable abilities need to be redesigned.

Rezonator--Light frigates--Cobalts, Disciples, and Skirmishers.

Still in the end this game is turning back to what it wa sins 1.5. An advent only game.

They didnt meet Tha Advent yet (:

Lol yeah epople who just didn't want to pickt he strongest race because it was the strongest kept playing the otehr races. But it was an advent game. And turning into it again. The balance we had before the carrier was the best balance the game had even had.

The current change is a clear step back in the wrong direction.

well, due to a corrupt install and security software, i haven't played yet, but looking at this, im probally not gonna play multi-player. still, looking around, im probally gonna end up a tec player simply because the only times i spam is with something horribly stupid yet cheap and durable, rather than a good idea. tec supports that. but the advent seem like something im gonna fear terribly in my first game (which should be tommorow)