i dont have any keybindings , and havent moved on to multi player yet , so i guess i might as well get it .

I have found the latest beta patch to be quite solid (other than losing my space ponies achievement, but I might just edit that back).  You CAN edit back your achievements, though giving yourself achievements you didn't ACTUALLY achieve is exceedingly lame.  Keymappings is a matter of backing up the files.  If you do those two things, game on!

The OTHER bad news, however, is that most stat sheets (which are VERY useful for determining counters and such) are for 1.05.  You'll be hard pressed to find a 1.095 stat sheet, since those who would put the work in for such things find the numbers just change every beta version for balance reasons, so it's a catch-up game that takes many times the time of making one for the current nonbeta build.

*Sigh*

Single player SoaSE is just as valid as multi-player SoaSE.

You are not 'elite' for playing online.

So quit making snide remarks.

I mean, really! We're all a part of the same community - we don't need any god damned segregation, that crap destroys communities.

And before you argue - yes - you made a snide remark: "If you play the real Sins game--online multiplayer...". Frankly, it was uncalled for, so shame on you (lol).

Sorry to mini hijack the thread... back to topic!

Yep yep, beta is fine, you'll just be missing out on a little bit of polish; but hey, atleast it gives you some time to get used to the next patch before it hits! .

-Itharus

Just ignore him?  Who cares what he thinks is the real Sins game?  Doesn't even deserve a response.

On topic; as a single player Sins player I've found the beta versions to be extremely stable and a better version of the game than 1.05, fill yer boots.

No concrete date. Beta 3 is going to be released today, and apparently a Beta 4 towards the end of the month. That's supposed to be the final beta before the full patch release. No idea what's in Beta 4, but considering the list of changes between Beta 2 and 3 and the lack of broken stuff in Beta 2, that makes me think it's something new-ish.

New without the mods. Although Bailknight's GFX mod makes the game a thousand times prettier, and the AI is still an astounding coward, the carriers are better the balance is much nicer. I attacked an enemy fleet today and actually LOST SHIPS! It was great.

Haha pretty much. I hope Bailknight (or someone!) updates his mod to work in 1.1. Oh how I miss its splendor!

INCOMING TRANSLATION:

Translation: "I never said it was "invalid"... but it is."

Translation: "I never said I was elite... but I am."

Translation: "I'm an opinionated prick."

Translation: "We all play the same game, but you still aren't part of my group."

CenturionJixra is PURE AWESOMESAUCE, and I hope to be half that 1337 someday.

I never said I was a single-player player... but I am.

Since your question sounded honest, I'll honor it with an answer.

I know what I'm missing, because I've played plenty of multiplayer.

Yes, it gets boring playing the AI.

Yes, I wish I had a fantastic opponent that knew how to use innovative tactics and gave me a fun, unpredictable game.

No, I don't get that when I play MP.

Now, I'm not speaking of this game, in particular, because honestly I've never played THIS game online. However, reading the forums it's not hard to tell that it's just like every game I have played online, and that's not surprising, since people are people are people, no matter what the game.

Single-player versus multiplayer is a tradeoff, and I think it's a lopsided one.

Playing multiplayer I supposedly get a smarter opponent, but what I really get is one that likes to spam one unit that's been proven to be the best, or rush wildly to win the game within the first ten seconds, (because a win is a win and if you can't stop a rush you're a noob that deserves to lose) or carefully practices some lame technique, no matter how inappropriate to the game setting.

The end result is amost always that the game suddenly has a quarter as many units as it should (Because only a noob would build the other 3/4!), and is in many ways more predictable in its tactics than in single-player!

And then there's immersion... When I'm playing Company of Heroes, for instance, I'm not just engaging in a competitive activity for the sake of winning. I'm playing to be immersed in the setting of WWII. That means that I'm not going to have fun facing down Ranger spam, or a whole army of nothing but Kettenkrads, or whatever other stupid tactic is in fashion this week, no matter how challenging or effective it is.

I'm not going to have fun if it's over after my starting unit killed his starting unit faster than it killed mine, or vice-versa.

So, if you can find me an opponent that plays the game to have fun and actually enjoy the setting, and can do that at any time of the day or night, any day of the week, and doesn't mind stopping at any time so I can eat or indulge any other whim I have, then I'll enjoy MP as much as I enjoy SP.

Until then, I'll just have to put up with the (theoretically) sub-par AI, and go on thinking I'm getting a pretty good deal.

TRANSLATION: "People say that real people are smarter than the AI, but I have yet to see that be true."

You're not going to find that offline...

What exactly do you not get when you play online multiplayer?  The fun part, the innovative tactics part, or the unpredictable part?

The early-game rushing can mostly be avoided by playing large maps where the ratio of planets to players is high; for the most part it's not a huge problem.

The reason why long-range frigates and fighting heavy cruisers get spammed is because those are the ships that do damage to enemy ships and thus they should be the primary components of a fleet, but smart players also build other ships as support ships (strikecraft carriers, ships that disable other ships or heal, etc.).

However, the game is about much much more than what ships you build.  It's about how you use the ships you've built, where and when you attack, what technologies you research, how you manage your economy and the spread of your culture, how much you're scouting out your opponents, helping your allies, etc.

But there's so much more to the game and its tactics than what kinds of ships you build...

Well, you do have to make certain sacrifices to play the game online as with any online multiplayer game.  In general, a 3v3 on the large random single star only takes about an hour-and-a-half to be decided.

Let's just put it this way.  Just about anyone who's an experienced online multiplayer can crush the Hard AI.  Does that make them smarter than the AI?  I'll leave it to you to reach the logical implication.

The MP part of this game isn't perfect mostly due to the possibility of suffering a minidump and also due to the difficulty of finding other people who are playing the type of game you want to play online.  However, if you're willing to put up with that and if you're willing to be patient and take your nooby lumps in order to learn how to play the game against thinking opponents, it can be a fulfilling experience.  I can't play the game in single player mode at all; it's just boring for me but I guess that's why they make chocolate ice cream and vanilla.