Sacrilege! Burn the infidel! Torches and tridents all around!

Oooh, boy. There are too many Blizzard fans on the great big Internet for your point to go through, I'm afraid. Blizzard is like the pope and the king all at the same time.

*lowering voice*
The problem is...that I agree with you. Blizzard's games are fun, but really and truly overrated. Warcraft was cartoonish and cute, and I even use Starcraft's Overmind voices for my cell phone ("SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS!" ahhh, an SMS message has arrived ), but I have to agree that gameplay wise, these games are more action-oriented than strategy, and their time is a bit up. In fact, even at their prime they weren't really to my liking. I would rather play any 4X game (turn-based or Sins) than fumble with keyboard shortcuts and horrific pathfinding anytime of the day.

But shhhhh, don't say anything!

*raising voice*
Hurray Blizzard! Long live Blizzard! Huzzah! Honestly, Blizzard, your new clothes look just GREAT!

Your probably right, Starcraft 2 will probably not live up to expectations. Why? Well its pretty simple, gamers nowadays expect, scratch that, demand perfection. Lets face it gamers are probably some of the most demanding people on the planet. Quite frankly while I would like "The Perfect Game" I am fine with having numerous flawed games spanning several genres and story's over one game. Too be honest every game has its flaws, the people who created them are only human and are bound to make some mistakes. But that also means that people can learn from said mistakes and adapt.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, granted Blizzard is a great game developer but personally I thought Warcraft 3 was a pile of crap and merely a stepping stone towards World of Warcraft, aka the Hero System.

I would like to point out that I as well as many others enjoyed Starcraft to some degree, I personally really enjoyed the campaign and story, however the re-playability was quite poor. Sure there were the 'Use Map Settings' but I'm talking about the core game play.

When you make games via the rock-paper-scissors method it almost always turns into a few key strategies to win, granted there are 3 seperate races in Starcraft but in the end the results are still the same. Ex. At some point people will realize that using Tactic A is really good against Tactic B, so they create Tactic C to counter A and so on. Somewhere along the way certain tactics will be good enough against each other that the only thing between a win and a loss will be how fast you manage to put off said Tactic flawlessly. This is extremely evident in Starcraft and since the key elements of gameplay are going to be the same so ergo it will happen in Starcraft 2, or so I surmise. Yes there will be new and old units and some new functions/abilities but that just means its a matter of time before the above happens.

I personally enjoy games more like Supreme Commander in which you have to constantly adapt to your surroundings to stay on top, such as being required to use more than 1 or 2 unit types the entire game to bludgeon your opponent into the ground, again which is very popular in Starcraft. Ex. Mass Dragoons, BattleCrusiers, Hydras, etc. Perhaps I'm wrong and blizzard has found away in which you will NEED to diversify, only time will tell.

Personally I await this game with interest but I've learned that getting my hopes up for a game just because its a sequel or the next in a series or even a new concept is just a waste of time and thought that could be for better use. Sure a game your waiting for may be the best ever in your opinion but I for one will settle for just be pleasantly surprised when playing such a game.

I'm a gamer at heart as such I will continue to enjoy my time spent and support developers in their endeavors. If I have any enjoyment at all from a game I spent money on it was money well spent, and you never know, just because you don't like a certain game now doesn't mean you wont at sometime down the road when your tastes is games may change. I would also like to point out that I am a Fanboy, a Fanboy of the gaming industry and thats not about to change.

That's right. I'd also like to add that before people criticize SC for having less strat/tactics than Sins, they watch replays of very high level games. Aside from the enormous APM, there's a lot of deliberation and method to their strategies. In fact, as much as I like sins, SC definitely has it beat when it comes to strategic options.

Don't let the huge maps and snail pace of Sins fool you. Sins is an awesome game and I really enjoy playing it, but it needs some more depth before it can rise to the strategic level of SC.

Memento didn't make as much money as Spiderman 3, so I guess Spiderman 3 is the better movie.

Popularity does not, has not, and never will equate quality. Popularity is a TREND, and Starcraft's success in Korea is exactly that. Everyone has different tastes, so why would one rather small country with a relatively small population have such a high percentage obsessed with a mediocre game made 10 years ago? Why would Koreans like a game more than Azerbaijanians, Georgians, Australians, Americans, English, French, or anyone else?

No really, tell me. What, is it something in the water? No, it's because "well everyone else plays it". Why do people buy trendy clothes, when half of them look like they came from Goodwill? Because "everyone else is wearing them".

If popularity equated quality, then I guess Transformers and the Passion of the Christ were the greatest movies ever made- HAH.

Other things that were popular:

Carrot Top
Britney Spears
N'Sync
Mullets
Lava Lamps
Gallagher
Halo

unlike most others or maybe all here, I played SC2 already (@ Games Convention) and I can assure you that it will live up to SC1 easily.
Yes Starcraft is an fast Action-RTS and so is Starcraft II but Blizzard never tried to hide that, Starcraft II isn't revolutionary either when it comes to new game features but all the new (compared to SC1) features it had felt "right" (remember we are speaking about pre-alpha here): MBS, Automining and Ulimited Unit Selection removes most of the repetitive tasks you have to do in SC1 and allows you to spend more time on more fun tasks.
The Point that Starcraft is about fast-clicking/button-mashing is complete fail too, every RTS on high level needs it, both micro and macro focused RTS, because in every RTS there are more things to do than you can actually do (else it could be turn-based as well). The Main Difference between Starcraft/Warcraft and other RTS is that you use the keyboard more than in other RTS and the mouse a bit less than in Supreme Commander for example.
That being said, you can win with 100 APM vs 300 APM in both Starcraft and SupCom and I guess Sins too, because in the end you need strategy and there is lots of strategy in Starcraft as well.

to those guys demanding autocasting in starcraft II, with very few exceptions ((healing and rebuilding interceptors for example) starcraft spells are not suited for autocast as they are just too precious to be potentially wasted by your unit AI, however Starcraft II will have smart cast (if you have multiple caster selected and use a spell only one of the casters will actually cast it not all of them)

More ridiculous movie analogies ensue:

The original Night of the Living Dead and The Rocky Horror Picture Show have stood the test of time as well....

Nah, what matters most is that each game has its place. Starcraft is all fine and good, but I'm just happy I have an alternative in gameplay with Sins and Supreme Commander.

Again, way to go selectively choosing things you think you have an argument for. Try combining all the points I listed.

Oh wait, you probably can't.

Seriously, you have your head so far up your ass, you're licking your tonsils.

Furthermore, I will say that Halo IS a good game. I hate it. I hate those instant-gratification-frat-boy games. None-the-less, it's very polished, has a lot of modes, and is a great user experience for those who enjoy console fps.

Oblivion was also a good game, but a very different step from the rest of the Elder Scroll Series (again, I didn't enjoy Oblivion nearly as much as the other games, but it succeeded in what it set out to be and people still play it now.).

We get your point already, you don't like SC, Oblivion, Halo, etc.

Unfortunately for you, your tastes and ideas of what constitute a good game are simply niche. Enjoy being bitter for the rest of your life.

Starcraft isn't about fanboys, the game IS really great; I didn't play it for a while (5 years or so?), but I still like to watch some progamer matchups on YouTube (from KlazartSC and others that do English commentaries)

Who ever says that game is unbalanced is wrong
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1. Move and shoot is possible, but it takes some micromanagement, if any unit could move and shoot by default, hand-to-hand units would never stand a chance unless they were a lot faster than shooting units, and that would make whole different game.
2. Units do react to getting shot at, how did you miss that I don't know.
3. You can put 12 units in group with all races, what are you talking about? As limit is 200 supply and most units take 2 supply, what's the problem? Learn some micromanagement and you're good to go!
4. Why would you want to queue beyond 5??? If you have 5 units in queue, there's something wrong with what you're doing, build some more factories or something. If you have the cash to spend for 5 units in queue, you're not a good player.
5. Why would you want formations in game where it takes micromanagement to do great battles? You do formations by hand!
6. Unit balance is the best part of Starcraft! I haven't seen the game so balanced as Starcraft.

Seems hate blizzard bandwagon is full swing on these forums already. Will no internet forum be free of the mindless anti conformity zombies? Starcraft was good, whether or not you like it has no bearing here. It was successful. I don't care, blizzard doesn't care, the 10+ million people that WILL buy scII don't care what you think, or what you like. We care about what we like.

I can honestly say, if they gave starcraft the wc3 editor, I'd buy it for 50$. And you know what? As much as I like sins, I'd never go back. There is no RTS currently available to me, that I would ever play over starcraft with the wc3 editor. WC3 was nothing special, no one is crazy enough to suggest that. It was a solid game, nothing new, no super balance, a very good storyline. Solid game, nothing more. But battle.net and the warcraft three editor, and later the TFT editor. Gave that game staying power like none other, not many people play the melee. I know a hundred+ people that will occasionally load up wc3 and play a dota, or another custom game.

I've bought c&c3, sins, sup com, DoW. Name a big RTS title in the past couple years I bought it or I bought an earlier title of the franchise and didn't like it. Name most of the *small* rts titles I've bought them. But how much time did I spend on any of them big or small? 20-50 hours, at best. How many hours did I spend on starcraft and later warcraft (For some different reasons, and some the same) I couldn't tell you. I can't count that high. Those games were fun, you got bored of melee? Go find one of the SUPERB custom games made on the EXCEPTIONAL engine.

Out of all the RTS games I've bought, since wc3. I haven't seen a single map editor on par, or even 10 swings within it. Sins? The wc3 editor makes the galaxy forge look infantile. CC3? Don't get me started. Sup com? The game just wasn't good for editing comparatively, the editor was again, nowhere near the same level. DoW, game play didn't work, modding was excessively difficult compared to sc/wc3, and more restrictive.

In wc3 if you could do jass you could do anything but change the goddamn tileset. That engine was so robust, so goddamn close to PERFECT, that all these other games, their editors... just seem clunky and worthless. As a hardcore modder for all games I play regularly, the longevity of all of the listed games and more, would be so much higher if they could develop a good editor. And a battle.net clone would be welcome too, maybe add some new options, bigger friend list, whatever. But clone the damn thing, we all prefer it. Anyone who says otherwise is absolutely crazy, battlenet was huge, it made getting games easy. And lets be honest, in a game like sins, the inability to p2p download galaxy forge maps... It makes the shitty editor not even worth using to begin with unless you can play in house games like I can thankfully. I feel sorry for the other people that use it maybe once, twice max for single player. Instead of the hundreds of replays I could get with my sc/wc3 maps.

I simply cannot stress how big the modding community is to the life of these games, the melee was great. Best of it's time, some people agree, some disagree. Whatever. It was successful. But if you try and argue against the fact that the game was amazing using the mod base as reasoning? Who the hell built the editor, and if it's so damn easy why does your fucking stardock still have pisspoor dev tools, and an infantile editor? I can do more in notepad than I can in that piece of shit. I don't care how they wanted the game made, I don't care if blizzard made the game with the modders in mind. But what I do care about is that for whatever reason, sc/wc3 have been amazingly easy to mod, and are so damn robust that you can do almost anything you could want. The editor made wc3 for me, the game was solid, but that editor, something no other company seems to be able to do right, plus the ability to SEAMLESSLY in all but a fraction of the cases transfer these maps while in game, not so much as alt tabbing, is huge.

I'll say again, the melee was good, I still think the best, for sc, and still above average for wc3, though no longer the best of it's time. I'm no fanboy, I liked sc/wc. It was the modders I loved. And by proxy blizzard simply because they built a simply astounding platform for these modders on top of solid-amazing games (Depending on who you ask). You cannot discard that blizzard made this platform, intentionally or not, they did. And they are responsible in large part for why I simply feel ICO and galaxy forge are just archaic, outdated pieces of shit. They delivered another solid game, but failed to deliver for the modders, and the game while I won't regret buying... Once I put it down once, I'll never pick it back up. I still play wc3 to this day once or twice a week at the very least, occasionally I'll find a custom map that I really like and play it a couple times a day for a while. I'll never find an amazing mod/map for sins. There will be good ones, but nothing like wc3, it simply isn't doable with the modders current resources, and that is no ones fault but the devs.

You dont have to play or buySC 2, IMO W3 was awesome. I didnt like SC 1 as I barely played it, but i will probably buy SC 2. What you say or do here wont affect SC 2 in any way, I have nothing great to expect out of SC 2 so if I like or love it then I will like and love it.

Starcraft is one of the few games that caters to both the casual and hardcore gamer simultaneously inorder to command your units as one large group you just had to learn how to hit control+# to form a command group letting either the UI take over the small stuf or if you group correctly you can micromanage as much as you please.

and i must say that the editor in the original starcraft is still far more superior to what is available in sins especially with the on demand downloading of new maps for the game. every now and then you can see maps still being played that are modifications or even originals you created because good things dont die.

A world where "success" and "good" are not equivalent. "Success" is success and it may be "better" for the developers and publishers, and even more popular to its target audience; but that does not make it "good" in the sense of having a quality interface. We live in a world where shows like "American Idol" and professional wrestling are successful and popular, that does not make them good though.