They do, it's called a Shiva.

Edit: This is towards Heaven's MAC comment.

Heaven, it ALSO says they have anti-fighter missiles especially designed to take out Seraphs. It's just it's wording. I can easily say "An F-16 has a single .50 caliber machine gun used for dogfighter" that doesn't mean it's the pilots weapon of choice. I'm not saying the 110mm cannons on the Longsword would NEVER be used, I'm saying they'd never be used, FIRST. The pilot would expend all his missiles and THEN use his backup gun, the machine gun. But since I don't think you can code in such a switch, they should fire missiles off the bat.

thank you for helping to settle that cptkeys

none of the TEC fighters had lasers colt that had auto cannons

also UNSC prowlers had pulse lasers

A singular ship that was never mass produced isn't an affective counter to my sarcastic mocking of Keyes' comparison. Regardless, the point was that Sins is Sins, and isn't Halo. And comparing how units from each universe behave is just flat out foolish. A Sins ship wont act like a Halo ship, it's fact. They're two completely seperate universes, each with their own laws. While Sins goes the whole "WW2 dogfights with lazorz!" like SW, Halo follows a FAR more realistic view, and so they WOULD use missiles. You don't regress to using inferior tactics, you just don't.

I don't think you can give me even one example of someone choosing to use an inferior weapon, and tactic, when a superior weapon and tactic was sitting at their finger tips. It's like throwing a rock at a tank when you have a perfectly good RPG sitting next to you. It just wouldn't happen.

If you're willing to do your best to make it feel, and look like Halo. You'd take a realistic look as possible. That means using missiles. In your little scenerio, a Seraph flying right past you (Banshee's can't operate in space). You'd bank after him, lock on, and fire. A missile, even in modern times, can lock on almost instantly. I'd imagine a missile tracking system 500 years in the future wouldn't even need you to see him (Wait, isn't there a real life thing, that has a HUD on the pilots helmet, so he can hit enemies behind him if he looks at them?).

So yeah, considering bullets wouldn't one-hit kill him, and infact give away the fact you're chasing him, using a missile would be far more efficiant, and wise under those conditions. Also, missiles on fighters don't require "loading", these aren't submarines with torpedo tubes. A missile can launch the second you press the trigger, so in the time it takes you to fire the machine guns, you can fire a missile.

There's just no scenario that would make the machine guns more efficiant then the missiles. It's just military tactics, you can either expend a hundred bullets in an attempt to kill him, or you can expend one missile and guarantee you kill him. And to be so close you can't dodge the explosion, would mean you're 10 meters behind him. And if you're THAT close, you're an idiot.

Also, I found this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uIsuhAWVj6o and allthough it's fan-made, it pretty much sums up Halo combat. Holy missile spam batman! For the UNSC, it even shows a Longsword fireing a missile and one-hit killing a Seraph, which is how it would be. Also, Canada, see the glow at the end of the missiles? That's what I was talking about.

I read the books years ago, I don't have perfect memory. Also, if the Longsword has bullets, it has missiles. Infact, a Longsword would ALLWAYS have missiles if it's on active duty (Meaning not being repaired or anything, just sitting there.) So they can launch on a moments notice. In relation to Sins, Longswords in the hangars, or ships, would allways be stocked as they're meant to be called on at a moments notice.

As for it saying they were rubbish against Seraphs, I said that before but was told otherwise, and the wiki itself says they were on par with Seraph fighters. It also says their high-yield missiles could destroy unshielded targets, I.E. Seraphs. So the missiles the Longswords have WOULD one-hit kill a Seraph.


On another note, there's an aspect I think people are missing. And that's damages. In Sins you can wail on an enemy cap for AGES and not kill it, and I think the mod should head in a much faster pace when it comes to combat. I.E. only a couple MAC rounds would flat out kill a Covie ship, a couple Plasma torps would kill a human ship. Make it so if you pit 12 ships v 12 ships, the battle is over in a minute or so, after the first couple of volleys have been launched. Long engagements only existed when there was tons of ships, which would still be there if we had realistic damages.

I'm just saying, in small fleet engages, 12 v 3 or something, the battle should be over quick. And fire isn't a big risk for warheads. I mean even when not loaded they aren't stored in fire-proof containers or anything. Also, they'd be safer INSIDE the ship then out. As in modern day stealth fighters, the missiles are stored inside of it, and a little bomb-door opens and they're lowered, and fired. (All extremely rapidly, in like a second, tops) So the hull of the fighter would protect any sort of ammunition from harm.

It may be easier, but the easy road isn't allways the right road. There is NO mention of a dedicated bomber, and a dedicated fighter, on either side. Both sides use one, multi-role starfighter. The Seraph for the Covies, the Longsword for the UNSC. I allways just assumed I'd let them lose and they'd attack whichever targets they wanted, much as it is in Sins. but if it's that big of a deal, why not just add two buttons that toggle them. "Anti-fighter screen" and "Bombing runs". If you select the anti-fighter one, the Longswords/Seraphs only target enemy fighters, if you select bombing runs they only tagret ship/structures. And if you don't toggle anything, they attack at will.

That's a FAR better idea that basicly raping Halo canon when it comes to ships, and adding in dedicated Bombers and Fighters, just to follow in Sins footsteps. Like you said earlier, bring it as close to Halo as possible.

well colt unfortunatly for our purposes we need to have 2 types or else we get fucked up the ass because our fighters were fighting ships with shields stronger than their weapons can handle even en masse. it may not be true to halo but unless we can find a way to prioritize targets that the fighters go for then we need the 2 classes.

good point theyw ill be on certain missons so to speak protect the ships against other fighter or protect the bombers

now can we all move on with progress.

hey here's my first try at making a long sword took 2 1/2 hours